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bodger
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 Posted: Tue Nov 03, 09 8:12 am Post subject: Badger Cull |
 
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A charity group is trying to stop a badger cull that is set to take place in North Pembrokeshire, on the grounds that its not based on scientific evidence.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/8339112.stm
If they are so convinced that the a cull is not based on scientific fact, my arguement would be for them as distasteful as it is, to be prepared to sacrifice the badgers in one small area, discredit the practice and thereby save the rest of the UKs population from being faced with the same prospect?
IMO, it depends upon just how confident the Badger Trust is in what it preaches. Hopefully, it should go a long way to putting many of the arguements and counter arguements to bed. |
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Nat S
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That would be my view aswell - the debate isn't going away so I just want them to get on with it so we can find out it's pointless and leave badgers alone from then on  |
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vegplot
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My fear is if the cull goes ahead and bovine TB doesn't decline the conclusion will be 'inconclusive' rather than proving the issue one way or the other. |
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bodger
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If the cull goes ahead and the incidence of bovine TB doesn't go down, then IMO the result will have been conclusive.
If no badgers = no TB in cattle then the case is proven.
If no badgers = the same level of bovine TB then the case is proven. |
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vegplot
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 09 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| bodger wrote: |
If the cull goes ahead and the incidence of bovine TB doesn't go down, then IMO the result will have been conclusive.
If no badgers = no TB in cattle then the case is proven.
If no badgers = the same level of bovine TB then the case is proven. |
I agree with your summary but I fear the official line may be somewhat different. Books can be cooked and often don't taste very nice. |
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RichardW
Joined: 24 Aug 2006
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Location: Llyn Peninsular North Wales
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Nat S
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 09 10:23 am Post subject: |
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| vegplot wrote: |
| bodger wrote: |
If the cull goes ahead and the incidence of bovine TB doesn't go down, then IMO the result will have been conclusive.
If no badgers = no TB in cattle then the case is proven.
If no badgers = the same level of bovine TB then the case is proven. |
I agree with your summary but I fear the official line may be somewhat different. Books can be cooked and often don't taste very nice. |
I agree, but floundering under TB regs in this no-man's land until something decisive is done is no good  |
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bodger
Joined: 23 May 2006
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I say get it done and sees what happens.
Anecdotally I could say that there are far more badgers than there used to be and in places where they've never been before but that proves nothing. |
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Chez
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 09 10:37 am Post subject: |
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I think they've already done a trial in either Eire or N Ireland and it made the problem worse. Can't remember enough to google for it, sorry. |
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bodger
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If its proven not to be the badgers then attention will have to be focused on finding another cause. |
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Chez
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Yes. It's easy to blame the badgers rather than look for other reasons, I suppose. |
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vegplot
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I just the results from a cull are conclusive either way. |
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RichardW
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 09 10:56 am Post subject: |
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We have badgers in this area but are still a low risk TB area. |
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bodger
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 09 11:07 am Post subject: |
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| Chez wrote: |
| Yes. It's easy to blame the badgers rather than look for other reasons, I suppose. |
I'm sure that lots of other avenues of enquiry have been taken up though and that this proposed action is not being taken on a mere whim. |
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Rob R
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 09 11:47 am Post subject: Re: Badger Cull |
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| bodger wrote: |
| If they are so convinced that the a cull is not based on scientific fact, my arguement would be for them as distasteful as it is, to be prepared to sacrifice the badgers in one small area, discredit the practice and thereby save the rest of the UKs population from being faced with the same prospect? |
Aren't you worried that there might be a clerical error?  |
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