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Hairyloon



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 16 10:24 am    Post subject: Farmer wanted: North Wales.  Reply with quote    

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A local family is being sought by the National Trust to run a 78-acre farm in the Conwy Valley the charity recently purchased to help stop flooding.

The farm is called Carrog at Cwm Penmachno and is near Betws y Coed.

However, the Trust does not want graziers to take on the land and is hoping to find a family who will help create a landscape that is more resilient to future climatic changes...


http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/fancy-taking-conwy-valley-farm-12258956

dpack



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 16 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

that looks like a good offer for somebody, if the economics can be made to add up it seems almost too good to be true.

i,m probably a bit old to take on such a long term project but if i had a few decades less i would be phoning them now.

NorthernMonkeyGirl



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 16 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Given that their last opportunity for "new entrants" went to a middle aged white man with an established farm business....

I wish the future tenants good luck.

Nick



Joined: 02 Nov 2004
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Location: Hereford
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 16 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

NorthernMonkeyGirl wrote:
Given that their last opportunity for "new entrants" went to a middle aged white man with an established farm business....

I wish the future tenants good luck.


Do we know who else applied?

Slim



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 16 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Presumably they don't want someone that will be doing a lot of tillage, as the purpose is to stop flooding, not accentuate it. But they don't want a grazer.... What the hell do they want? A christmas tree farm?

NorthernMonkeyGirl



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 16 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Nick wrote:
NorthernMonkeyGirl wrote:
Given that their last opportunity for "new entrants" went to a middle aged white man with an established farm business....

I wish the future tenants good luck.


Do we know who else applied?


It would be interesting to see; but their requirements were pretty strict.
Let me say, I've no problem with the chap who got in and will do a great job; my problem is the way it was all advertised (and I'm still p****d off about the charge to get the paperwork with all the demands on it - that should be upfront.)

Ty Gwyn



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 16 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Slim wrote:
Presumably they don't want someone that will be doing a lot of tillage, as the purpose is to stop flooding, not accentuate it. But they don't want a grazer.... What the hell do they want? A christmas tree farm?


A George Monbiot lookalike,lol.

Slim



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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Location: New England (In the US of A)
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 16 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Ty Gwyn wrote:
Slim wrote:
Presumably they don't want someone that will be doing a lot of tillage, as the purpose is to stop flooding, not accentuate it. But they don't want a grazer.... What the hell do they want? A christmas tree farm?


A George Monbiot lookalike,lol.


I don't know enough about him to know what that means. Googling him turns up a lot of articles.... willing to give me a TL;DR? (too long; didn't read)

Hairyloon



Joined: 20 Nov 2008
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 16 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Slim wrote:
Ty Gwyn wrote:
Slim wrote:
Presumably they don't want someone that will be doing a lot of tillage, as the purpose is to stop flooding, not accentuate it. But they don't want a grazer.... What the hell do they want? A christmas tree farm?


A George Monbiot lookalike,lol.


I don't know enough about him to know what that means. Googling him turns up a lot of articles.... willing to give me a TL;DR? (too long; didn't read)

Bit of a hippy-dippy type. Makes a certain amount of sense much of the time, but tends to be "greener than thou..."

Nick



Joined: 02 Nov 2004
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Location: Hereford
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 16 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

He thinks Bono is an idiot. It's a very simple litmus test, but it's a massive positive for me.

Treacodactyl
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 16 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Slim wrote:
Ty Gwyn wrote:
Slim wrote:
Presumably they don't want someone that will be doing a lot of tillage, as the purpose is to stop flooding, not accentuate it. But they don't want a grazer.... What the hell do they want? A christmas tree farm?


A George Monbiot lookalike,lol.


I don't know enough about him to know what that means. Googling him turns up a lot of articles.... willing to give me a TL;DR? (too long; didn't read)


He's an advocate of rewilding, the reintroduction of animals like Lynx and Bears into the UK. Something I agree with but we might disagree on the exact location (he says hilltops, I say shopping centers).

On a serious note, letting less productive farmland go back to nature. Less grazing more trees, shrubs, and free-range eco-warriors.

Slim



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 16 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Maybe he could be talked into silvipasturing meat critters with carefully monitored predator levels that are allowed to snag domestic prey once in a while?

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 16 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Can't think why they don't want grazing as that seems the obvious use. Water meadows were traditionally used to bring the grass on earlier for feeding cattle, so why want wet meadows and no grazing?

Hairyloon



Joined: 20 Nov 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 16 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Mistress Rose wrote:
Can't think why they don't want grazing as that seems the obvious use. Water meadows were traditionally used to bring the grass on earlier for feeding cattle, so why want wet meadows and no grazing?

I think they think that grazing land does not hold the water well to reduce flood risk lower down...

dpack



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 16 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

water meadow requires grazing otherwise either mowing turns it into lawn or it turns into scrub. neither of which hold much water.

beavers and wetland trees could perhaps be a good flood management tactic but a water meadow with a building soil is also pretty good at holding water

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