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bulworthy project



Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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Location: Rackenford, Devon
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 15 2:42 pm    Post subject: How We Approached Dealing With The Planning Authority  Reply with quote    

Hello
We haven't been on here for a while because we've been lost in Facebook, but we thought that this may be something of interest to this forum.

Not sure if this is the right section for this.

We've written a little piece about how we dealt with the planning authority when applying for permission to live in the woods. It's something people often ask about. This is not about the law but about a philosophy that certainly worked for us. It would be interesting to hear other peoples experiences of the system.

The piece we've written is at: www.bulworthyproject.org.uk/planning.html

Do let us know what you think.

dpack



Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 32882
Location: yes
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 15 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

hello again ,that is some of the most sensible advice on such matters i have ever seen.

i hope all goes well in the future.



ps face book is satan's intel officer

bulworthy project



Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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Location: Rackenford, Devon
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 15 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Thanks Dpack

P.S. I only use facebook to save satan from having to put too much effort and therefore taxpayers money into spying on me.

sean
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 15 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Really good article.

dpack



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 15 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

bulworthy project wrote:
Thanks Dpack

P.S. I only use facebook to save satan from having to put too much effort and therefore taxpayers money into spying on me.




at least god knows everything and reports directly to mossad which saves no end of taxpayer expense

Lorrainelovesplants



Joined: 13 Oct 2006
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Location: Cornwall
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 15 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

That really is a good article.

Mistress Rose



Joined: 21 Jul 2011
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 15 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Useful article. We haven't gone for planning applications in our wood as we don't need to live there. We did see the planning officer many years ago when we had ideas of putting up a shed near the road, and her first words were 'We won't let you even have a container on site'. In fact, she couldn't stop us as it would be temporary, and being a large enough site we could go for permitted development for agricultural/forestry purposes.

We are in a National Park, but it appeared after we had bought the property. Even our management plan has to go through them, which can be tricky as their objectives aren't ours. In fact their objectives are resulting in part of the wood being severely damaged by people walking.

vegplot



Joined: 19 Apr 2007
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Location: Ynys Môn
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 15 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Nicely written and some very valid points which we learned along the way to our eventually getting permission. The principle lessons we learned were (our opinion)

a) policy is everything to planning
b) it's not planning's job to educate you, they are arbiters of policy nothing else matters
c) detail everything explain why you are doing things and the reason why they can't be done in any other way
d) their closest ally is Highways. Highways are very blinkered and never look at the whole picture and will have their own policies
e) £5,000 will smooth the planning permission route on Anglesey (as it was then and from the horse's mouth)
d) Parish councils are no longer consulted on local planning issues (Wales)
f) Appeals are fun, if costly, when you hold all the cards. Having a consultant who was ousted from the local council under a corruption purge on your side helps - see e) but £2k cheaper.

bulworthy project



Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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Location: Rackenford, Devon
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 15 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Forgot to say that you can bypass all this with a carefully placed backhander or even better if you went to the same school as the right person/people.

Bebo



Joined: 21 May 2007
Posts: 12540
Location: East Sussex
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 15 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

vegplot wrote:

d) their closest ally is Highways. Highways are very blinkered and never look at the whole picture and will have their own policies


But if you know how they work and you tell them why they've got it wrong they normally back down and don't support the planning authority when they realise their position is weak.

tahir



Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 43923
Location: Essex
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 15 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

bulworthy project wrote:
Forgot to say that you can bypass all this with a carefully placed backhander or even better if you went to the same school as the right person/people.


Allegedly

Mistress Rose



Joined: 21 Jul 2011
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 15 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I hope not. Of course if they did take a back hander, they would never be in a position to dispute anything you did under planning again. You might get into trouble, but they would get into a lot more.

Nicky Colour it green



Joined: 25 Jun 2007
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Location: Devon, uk
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 15 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

interesting article - thanks for sharing

are you under any ongoing clauses - such as having to continue to make charcoal to live in the house?

Rob R



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Location: York
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 15 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Bebo wrote:
vegplot wrote:

d) their closest ally is Highways. Highways are very blinkered and never look at the whole picture and will have their own policies


But if you know how they work and you tell them why they've got it wrong they normally back down and don't support the planning authority when they realise their position is weak.


I have always been surprised how little the highway influences them [Highways].

Last edited by Rob R on Tue Jul 14, 15 9:14 am; edited 1 time in total

vegplot



Joined: 19 Apr 2007
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Location: Ynys Môn
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 15 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Bebo wrote:
vegplot wrote:

d) their closest ally is Highways. Highways are very blinkered and never look at the whole picture and will have their own policies


But if you know how they work and you tell them why they've got it wrong they normally back down and don't support the planning authority when they realise their position is weak.


We did Twice. When planning was first granted and again when we had to re-apply (we needed to move the house location within the bounds) for planning.

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