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Tavascarow



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 16 7:07 pm    Post subject: There is a difference.  Reply with quote    

Soil Association: Organic is Different.
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A new study published in the British Journal of Nutrition shows organic milk and meat contain around 50% more beneficial omega-3 fatty acids than non-organic. In addition to organic milk and meat, the nutritional differences also apply to organic dairy like butter, cream, cheese and yoghurt. The study is the largest systematic review of its kind and led by Newcastle University and an international team of experts.

Rob R



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 16 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I'm glad it's not just me.

sean
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 16 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

The actual study has a lot more caveats than the Soil Association's predictable spin.

Rob R



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 16 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

sean wrote:
The actual study has a lot more caveats than the Soil Association's predictable spin.


Of course. Spending 650 on a label doesn't necessarily confer any benefit.

It's better than this hash up though (hint, check out No.1)

Tavascarow



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 16 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Rob R wrote:
sean wrote:
The actual study has a lot more caveats than the Soil Association's predictable spin.


Of course. Spending 650 on a label doesn't necessarily confer any benefit.

It's better than this hash up though (hint, check out No.1)
What's your point?

Rob R



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 16 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Tavascarow wrote:
Rob R wrote:
sean wrote:
The actual study has a lot more caveats than the Soil Association's predictable spin.


Of course. Spending 650 on a label doesn't necessarily confer any benefit.

It's better than this hash up though (hint, check out No.1)
What's your point?


To which bit, the response to sean or the not quite top veg box?

Tavascarow



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 16 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Rob R wrote:
Tavascarow wrote:
Rob R wrote:
sean wrote:
The actual study has a lot more caveats than the Soil Association's predictable spin.


Of course. Spending 650 on a label doesn't necessarily confer any benefit.

It's better than this hash up though (hint, check out No.1)
What's your point?


To which bit, the response to sean or the not quite top veg box?
Both?

Rob R



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 16 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Well, spending the money only gets you the label, you can get the same benefits without being a member of the soil association, or indeed any certification body.

As for the No.1 veg box, well take a look at their website.

Tavascarow



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 16 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Rob R wrote:
Well, spending the money only gets you the label, you can get the same benefits without being a member of the soil association, or indeed any certification body.

As for the No.1 veg box, well take a look at their website.
No you do save your 650.00 & I doubt that will stop you from using the publicity in your promotion either.
But I did post it for your benefit.

Paying 650.00 gives customers a larger degree of reassurance that things are as they should be. Also a broader reach for the producer.
Even budget supermarkets like Aldi are carrying a good range of organic F&V.
Tesco stock a good range of organic fruit & veg, meat & dairy (milk, yoghurts & cheese).
Although the soil association label isn't very evident on the supermarket shelves which is a shame.
Their higher standards don't lend them selves to mass marketing as readily as some of the other labels IMHO.

Rob R



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 16 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Tavascarow wrote:
No you do save your 650.00 & I doubt that will stop you from using the publicity in your promotion either.
But I did post it for your benefit.


Thanks, but I'm not a member of the soil association, so no, I don't use their publicity in my promotion - that would be dishonest.

Tavascarow wrote:
Paying 650.00 gives customers a larger degree of reassurance that things are as they should be. Also a broader reach for the producer.
Even budget supermarkets like Aldi are carrying a good range of organic F&V.
Tesco stock a good range of organic fruit & veg, meat & dairy (milk, yoghurts & cheese).
Although the soil association label isn't very evident on the supermarket shelves which is a shame.
Their higher standards don't lend them selves to mass marketing as readily as some of the other labels IMHO.


The other day you were so critical of a big name stocking organic because 'does it really make any difference'...

But anyway, all I'm saying is that the research was conducted on organic production, not on organic certification. The SA put it perfectly when they said How we farm affects the quality of the food we eat.

Tavascarow



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 16 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I read a very good article recently about the dumming down of the 'organic' labels & it's true.
EU organic standards aren't as high as they used to be.
The popularity & increase in sales are making it more attractive to producers & standards have changed along with the type of producers that are getting involved.
I personally see both positives & negatives in that.
It's good there are fewer farmers throwing pesticides & fertilizer around.
It's not so good that some producers are more market orientated, as I feel they may not be as attentive.
The system requires detailed attention to work IMHO. It's also encouraging the specialist instead of the small mixed family farms which as you know I believe is the future.

There is a difference between a retailer selling a broad range of organic produce & a fast food producer selling a crap meal where your coffee happens to have a few millilitres of organic milk in it IMHO.
I don't like supermarkets but to source certain organic goods it's that or online shopping & both have similar problems.

Rob R



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 16 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

But the supermarkets are only responding to consumer demand, the same way McD's are. That said, it's not just a few ml, 21 million litres of organic milk are used by McDoanlds, which represents 5.5% of the annual UK organic milk production.

I also read an article this morning that says farmers are cutting down on fertilisers this year as a result of depressed prices and BPS payment delays.

Tavascarow



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 16 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

If I shop at Tesco probably over 75% of what I buy will be organic.
If I have a meal at McDonalds with a white coffee what's the percentage likely to be?
1%? Possibly less.
Will the meals I cook with the food I buy be better for my health & the health of the planet than a 'happy meal' & white coffee?
There's the difference.

When McDonalds sell a happy meal that's 75% organic I'll let you buy me one.

Nick



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 16 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

http://www.triplepundit.com/2015/09/mcdonalds-serves-up-its-first-100-organic-hamburger/

Will you travel?

Rob R



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 16 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I don't expect you'd buy a happy meal, but I also don't expect most people who use McD's would refuse to if they didn't use organic milk, either. They use it because they're travelling, or busy, or as a treat for the kids, so if they're getting people who wouldn't necessarily buy organic produce and cook from scratch, to actually consume some organic produce and encourage extra production of organic, that's got to be a good thing, surely?

As I said before, I find it difficult to find organic (or decent) milk in local shops and the nearest McDonald's is right next to a garage with Costa. So if I wanted a coffee there I have three options - buy one from the garage and get British milk, buy one from McDonalds and get Organic milk or buy one from the local cafe and get some milk.

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