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Treacodactyl
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ksia
Joined: 17 May 2006
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Location: Mayenne, France
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I do wish the Green movement wouldn't concentrate on climate change so much.
Its too easy for Jo Schmo to say "Well I don't feel any warmer" and dismiss it all. |
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shaunb
Joined: 12 Sep 2008
Posts: 169
Location: Ruthin, Wales
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| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 09 11:14 pm Post subject: Re: What happened to global warming? |
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| Treacodactyl wrote: |
| http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8299079.stm |
WHAT?
For F*** Sake,
whatever you want to call it, its bloody-well happening and its due to human activities.
We either do something about it NOW or our children pay the price.
STOP tossing your orbs about nonsense and get on with being part of the solution. |
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shaunb
Joined: 12 Sep 2008
Posts: 169
Location: Ruthin, Wales
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| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 09 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| ksia wrote: |
I do wish the Green movement wouldn't concentrate on climate change so much.
Its too easy for Jo Schmo to say "Well I don't feel any warmer" and dismiss it all. |
Which is why we should educate the proletariat that Global Climate Change isn't restricted to their village. |
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shaunb
Joined: 12 Sep 2008
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Location: Ruthin, Wales
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Thinking about it really, i don't see why we should bother to save such a plebbish species as humanity. However, there are exceptions......... |
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Treacodactyl
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 09 7:13 am Post subject: Re: What happened to global warming? |
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| shaunb wrote: |
whatever you want to call it, its bloody-well happening and its due to human activities.
We either do something about it NOW or our children pay the price.
STOP tossing your orbs about nonsense and get on with being part of the solution. |
I am doing something about it, well much more than most anyway. That doesn't change the fact that many scientists are still not sure what's causing global warming and what is happening, which I think is the interesting thing about the article. Some might conclude it isn't really a man made problem, others will say it is. What I found worrying is that if we are in for a period of cooling until 2030 then even less will be done to curb emissions and after 2030 the planet could heat up so dramatically that we're all, well, doomed. |
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Tavascarow
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
Posts: 2903
Location: South Cornwall
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As the global average atmospheric temperature rises (Which it is or the ice caps wouldn't be retreating as they are) then we in Northern Europe could be facing a drastic cooling period.
Our temperate climate is given to us by the gulf stream & if that switches off due to desalination of the sea then the temp here will fall not rise, regardless of what goes on elsewhere.
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Brownbear
Joined: 28 May 2007
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One beneficial side-effect of a drop in temperatures may be an end to these public demonstrations by political extremists.
Stalingrad hasn't seen a BNP march in more than half a century. |
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JB
Joined: 08 Jun 2005
Posts: 5600
Location: Sitting in a corner gently beating my head against the wall
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 09 8:19 am Post subject: Re: What happened to global warming? |
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| Treacodactyl wrote: |
| shaunb wrote: |
whatever you want to call it, its bloody-well happening and its due to human activities.
We either do something about it NOW or our children pay the price.
STOP tossing your orbs about nonsense and get on with being part of the solution. |
I am doing something about it, well much more than most anyway. That doesn't change the fact that many scientists are still not sure what's causing global warming and what is happening, which I think is the interesting thing about the article. Some might conclude it isn't really a man made problem, others will say it is. What I found worrying is that if we are in for a period of cooling until 2030 then even less will be done to curb emissions and after 2030 the planet could heat up so dramatically that we're all, well, doomed. |
How much are we doing though? I am doing something about it, I personally reduce consumption, I work in a business which is trying to persuade other businesses to reduce consumption. I've reduced my personal consumption to a lot less than the UK average and our clients by a significant percentage and yet even after that we are still consuming far more than is sustainable.
The almost exclusive focus on global warming and CO2 is something that I think is a little foolish because, as others have said, it's all too easy for someone to look at one soggy summer (or more intelligently but no more accurately one decades figures) and decide global warming isn't happening and therefore they need to do nothing. There are other, far more incontrovertible, reasons for reducing consumption; simple economics, pollution, energy security, dependence on other countries for manufacturing - all 'bad' things and all reasons to act regardless of what Martin Durkin and others might say. Global warming might be potentially the biggest threat to the planet but people can still do the right thing for purely self centred reasons. |
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Treacodactyl
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I agree that focusing on CO2 is the wrong thing to do and, of course, it's climate change that's worrying not global warming (as has been said it could get much colder for example). However, personally I don't mind if someone has thought about things and decided that they don't need to worry or whatever, simply because I rarely meet anyone who has actually given the problem any thought at all. That's what worries me the most, the fact hardly anyone seems to think about it. |
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lettucewoman
Joined: 26 Sep 2006
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Location: Tiptoe in the Forest!!
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Just to clarify, Piers Corbin is not regarded as a serious scientist by most of the people involved in weather prediction etc...he has made many many predictions about weather based on his solar particles idea, and virtually all of them have been discredited, because of the fact that they have been completely wrong!
He is a favourite of the Daily Express though...any headlines warning of catastrophic storms, tempests and other extremes of weather in that paper are usually based on Mr. Corbins nonsense. |
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Treacodactyl
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 09 9:00 am Post subject: |
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I was more interested in the ocean temperature cycles, anyone know much about that? |
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JB
Joined: 08 Jun 2005
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Location: Sitting in a corner gently beating my head against the wall
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I'd be curious to know how much energy is stored in the oceans compared to how much energy is available from insolation and the variabilty from solar cycles etc (the last which I knew in the past but have long since forgotten) |
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Biff Vernon
Joined: 10 Jun 2006
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Location: Lincolnshire
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dpack
Joined: 02 Jul 2005
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Location: w yorks /earth
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i recon the evidence is available for warmer and caused by burning fossil fuels but i still keep the skis and big pants as well as the parasol |
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