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bodger
Joined: 23 May 2006
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I feel a Downsizer killing meet coming up. Whose first ?  |
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chicken feed
Joined: 27 Aug 2009
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Location: the fens cambs
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 09 8:36 am Post subject: |
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 great idea bodger.
we are more than happy to show anyone in our area how we do ours. |
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Nat S
Joined: 15 Aug 2008
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Location: York
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| Rob R wrote: |
| iirc the animal is [should be] motionless when stunned and the twitching starts when you slit the throat. |
That's not why I think the stun gun doesn't stop them feeling pain - it stops movement and IMO, we like to then tell ourselves that they can't feel pain. They're not completely motionless though, they quiver. |
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bodger
Joined: 23 May 2006
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I thought that the scene on the Effing Gordon Effing Ramsey Effing programme where they stunned the turkeys before killing them was particularly gruesome.
Lord knows, I'm not particularly soft and I know that we shouldn't attribute turkeys with human senses but how must they have viewed the procedings ?
A stranger in a white coat grabs hold of them, ties their legs together, suspends them up side down and then sticks an electric probe down their gob and all this before they got down to the real business.
Turkeys are killed by their brain being turned off. Unless the brain is destroyed instantly and in its entirety then there's always going to be short time when the brain retains some residual sense. That goes for instant decapitation or neck dislocation. As I see it, in the case of the last two methods, brain death is caused by the organ being deprived of oxygen.
I think that we owe it to our birds to make their death as painless and calm as possible. You pick your birds up quietly and keep whats going to happen to them from them for as long as possible. A familiar person in familiar surroundings and then bingo! They shouldn't know whats hit them.
On a slightly different tack, I think that its a shame that quick and efficient home slaughter has been made so difficult for larger animals but I do understand, why this is. |
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Rob R
Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: York
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The key is the rapid drop in blood pressure that renders them immediately unconcious. The only way we can possibly understand how it feels is to have experienced it and not many of us survive such a drop in blood pressure. In that respect stunning should always be followed immediately by bleeding IMO. Some of the methods do seem rather faffy.  |
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Nat S
Joined: 15 Aug 2008
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Location: York
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I don't see the point of the stunning bit - I don't think they don't feel pain after stunning, they can even come round again (which is why they are then bled) so why not skip straight to the blood pressure drop like we always used to? |
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Rob R
Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: York
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Efficiency & personnel safety, I think. |
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gunners71uk
Joined: 13 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 09 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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ahhhhhhhhhhhhh now i know |
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Nat S
Joined: 15 Aug 2008
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Location: York
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| Rob R wrote: |
| Efficiency & personnel safety, I think. |
Yep. |
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RichardW
Joined: 24 Aug 2006
Posts: 5724
Location: Llyn Peninsular North Wales
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 09 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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Killing cones on eBay |
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lottie
Joined: 11 Aug 2005
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Location: ceredigion
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I was interested before I saw it was collection only |
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dpack
Joined: 02 Jul 2005
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Location: w yorks /earth
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 09 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Ixy wrote: |
| Rob R wrote: |
| Efficiency & personnel safety, I think. |
Yep. |
yep and the skill involved in a kind kill |
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RichardW
Joined: 24 Aug 2006
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Location: Llyn Peninsular North Wales
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That thing on ebay looks like a florists display rack. |
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