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Treacodactyl
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 12 7:25 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

smokingdragon wrote:
Look at a gas semi auto - Berretta 301 etc far less recoil than a OU. For a general purpose auto that can do clays foxes or burglars get one that is adjustable and can take 3.5" cartidges. I've got a Baikal MP153 and its superbly practical.
Simon


Do you ever have any problems taking a sem-auto clay shooting?

Bebo



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 12 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I've been told elsewhere that semi-auto's are ok for clays so long as you use a dummy cartridge with a little flag on to demonstrate that it not loaded. The are most definitely frowned upon for any game shoots.

brightontrader



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 12 5:37 pm    Post subject: 20 versus 12 Reply with quote    

The 20 actually can chuck up as much lead as a 12, I use 28gram loads in my over under browning 20. for clays I use a 30 inch trap 12 bore with 21 gram which has virtually no recoil in comparison as its heavy and absorbs.

A 20 is better gun to use if you are doing a walk up shoot, or basically going to carry it all day as mine for instance only weighs 5.5lbs against the trap 12s 9.2lbs. you notice the difference. Also a shorter barrel means its easier to get through heavy brush, across streams etc. A 20 is an "up country" gun.

I dropped a pidgeon today that must have been at 50 yds straight up with the 20. A 12 would have overbalanced me as I swung up and over probably.

Best solution is to buy both a 12 and a 20...

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 12 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

You don't happen to be a gun seller do you?

I'm going to be pretty much only shooting clays, so I'm 90% decided that I'm going to go for a 12 bore. Can't do anything until my certificate arrives though.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 12 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I used to have a very nice single barrel 12 bore that was light enough to carry but heavy enough to deal with recoil. And being a crack shot one barrel was always good enough. No good for clays though.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 12 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

vegplot wrote:
I used to have a very nice single barrel 12 bore that was light enough to carry but heavy enough to deal with recoil. And being a crack shot one barrel was always good enough. No good for clays though.


I'll have you know last time I went shooting I hit two clays with one shot. Absolute fluke though and unlikely to ever happen again.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 12 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Double vision

I borrowed someones over and under for a shoot but the stock was too long me and I was bum firing the second barrel on the recoil of the first. I didn't realise what was happening at first thinking the recoil was a bit harsh and wondering why the second shot didn't.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 12 2:55 pm    Post subject: not a gun dealer Reply with quote    

but have a few guns as I am a farmer and run a small shoot, so have a few rifles too for pest control.

Thats why I posted earlier about Brown Bears views on 10/22s not being very good. In fact, with a trigger change, its my complete gun of choice for rabbits, and foxes as shotguns are basically useless for serious pest control.

I just saw this thread and felt compelled to comment as my browning 20 is my favorite shotgun. I really need to weld on a .22 and am sorted for walk up pest control.

(a 20 is not a trap gun though as cartridges are 30% more although same performance.)

Colin & Jan



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 12 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Bebo wrote:
vegplot wrote:
I used to have a very nice single barrel 12 bore that was light enough to carry but heavy enough to deal with recoil. And being a crack shot one barrel was always good enough. No good for clays though.


I'll have you know last time I went shooting I hit two clays with one shot. Absolute fluke though and unlikely to ever happen again.


Shot 2 rabbits with one shot from the .22 a couple of weeks ago. Aimed at one about 40 meters away, which I killed and my mate on the lamp said "good shot that must have been 80 meters or more". I hadn't even seen the one behind but both were stone dead. First one shot through the neck and the second through the chest.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 12 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

back stop ?

Bebo



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 12 7:01 pm    Post subject: Re: not a gun dealer Reply with quote    

brightontrader wrote:
but have a few guns as I am a farmer and run a small shoot, so have a few rifles too for pest control.

Thats why I posted earlier about Brown Bears views on 10/22s not being very good. In fact, with a trigger change, its my complete gun of choice for rabbits, and foxes as shotguns are basically useless for serious pest control.

I just saw this thread and felt compelled to comment as my browning 20 is my favorite shotgun. I really need to weld on a .22 and am sorted for walk up pest control.

(a 20 is not a trap gun though as cartridges are 30% more although same performance.)


I was teasing. Thank you for the advice.

Our neighbour (also a farmer) usually deals with fox control for us with a rifle, as anything going after our chickens is likely to be going after his as well.

Is there any point shooting rabbits with a shotgun? I mean, is there anything left worth eating?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 12 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I've shot hundreds of rabbits with a shotgun and they're OK to eat as long as you aren't right on top of them when you shoot them. There are some places where a .22 isn't suitable for shooting rabbits but where a shotgun is. A head shot bunny with a .22 is obviously less risky on the teeth though.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 12 12:03 pm    Post subject: Re: not a gun dealer Reply with quote    

Bebo wrote:


Is there any point shooting rabbits with a shotgun? I mean, is there anything left worth eating?


Not really. Shooting for the pot limits usable range and it's very difficult to moderate the noise of a shotgun for population control.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 12 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

dpack wrote:
back stop ?


No problems as half way down the side of a small valley shooting down. Saying that there always the possibility of the unknown when using a rifle of any calibre, especially when using a lamp when the distance vision limited.

vegplot



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 12 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Colin & Jan wrote:
dpack wrote:
back stop ?


No problems as half way down the side of a small valley shooting down. Saying that there always the possibility of the unknown when using a rifle of any calibre, especially when using a lamp when the distance vision limited.


The backstop was the second rabbit.

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