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Rob R



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 16 10:36 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

You didn't read the smallprint, then...

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 16 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Like that Rob. Good luck with it. We had small packs of Rocking Horse dung as a stocking filler for Christmas one year, but it didn't do very well.

Chez



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 16 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I'm not entirely sure that poking fun at people who choose not to eat meat is a good marketing strategy. Surely it's like politicians negative campaigning? The way you manage your herd on the landscape that you have surely stands for itself without this? Other landscapes do not support animal production. We live in a varied world.

Hairyloon



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 16 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Chez wrote:
I'm not entirely sure that poking fun at people who choose not to eat meat is a good marketing strategy...

He is making a serious point. The vegan police will take anything that doesn't comply with their absolutism as an attack, so we might as well have some fun with it.

Really though, to make the point properly, the meat that doesn't go in the box ought to stay on the cow and if there are enough boxes to make a whole cow then the cow should stay in the field...

dpack



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 16 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

that is ok if the stayer is a girl or a useful bull ,the steers or young bulls need to go before a "chillingham culture" develops and all interaction has to be done from inside a solid vehicle .

Ty Gwyn



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 16 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

[quote="Chez:1458174"]I'm not entirely sure that poking fun at people who choose not to eat meat is a good marketing strategy. Surely it's like politicians negative campaigning? The way you manage your herd on the landscape that you have surely stands for itself without this? Other landscapes do not support animal production. We live in a varied world.[/quote


As a livestock farmer myself,i agree with you Chez,it only alienates you.

Rob R



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 16 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Chez wrote:
I'm not entirely sure that poking fun at people who choose not to eat meat is a good marketing strategy. Surely it's like politicians negative campaigning? The way you manage your herd on the landscape that you have surely stands for itself without this? Other landscapes do not support animal production. We live in a varied world.


I haven't intended to poke fun at anyone. I focussed on the way we manage the land and as far as I knew, haven't said anything negative about others - which bits do you mean?

I'd like to think that the results stands for themselves but so many people don't have a connection with food production that they don't make the connection so talking about it & explaining the connection is vital. I've had positive comments from a food-based group with many people who knew food but didn't realise that there's more to farming than food.

Rob R



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 16 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Hairyloon wrote:

Really though, to make the point properly, the meat that doesn't go in the box ought to stay on the cow and if there are enough boxes to make a whole cow then the cow should stay in the field...


I was hoping that was implied from the not wanting to kill them but still make a living bit, but maybe I was being too subtle. I've just had so many comments recently that we only do it for the hell of it and I've offered to run a no kill policy, but like the 'pay more eat less' crowd, they don't seem to do it unless there's an option for it.

dpack



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 16 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

there is a lot more to farming than food ,some great like your works and some not so great such as the palm oil plantations and soya prairies made from forest(other bad aspects are available both large and small scale).

Hairyloon



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 16 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Rob R wrote:
Hairyloon wrote:

Really though, to make the point properly, the meat that doesn't go in the box ought to stay on the cow and if there are enough boxes to make a whole cow then the cow should stay in the field...


I was hoping that was implied from the not wanting to kill them but still make a living bit...

I suppose it is, but I thought it was a joke: a serious point made through comedy...
Since it is serious though, I am moved to question whether it is truly vegan if you are keeping cows to not put in the box: as I understand it, veganism prohibits any use of animals...

I know of some vegans on t'internet I can put the question to if you'd like?
There is a chance it might spark a row, but I'm prepared to take that risk for the sake of research.

Rob R



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 16 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

One vegan suggested just keeping the cows alive and using glamping to earn the money but I found a lot of glamping locally that wasn't connected to cattle keeping so they seemed to have an immediate competitive advantage, so I dismissed the idea. Another suggested that providing the animals weren't exploited, it was fine with him, so I was going along those lines. Another lady wishes to support wildflower meadows, so I thought it'd be a way to do that. Vegans aren't really my target market though, it's more for those people actively choosing to eat a bit less and pay more for it, welfarists, environmentalists, conservationists, etc. I think they're more likely to support it.

It wasn't meant as a joke, as such, but a lighthearted way of discussing an important issue which I hope people who eat meat but don't know/care about the complexities of the issues could be introduced to it in a way that might actually be read.

Hairyloon



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 16 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Rob R wrote:
Vegans aren't really my target market though...

No, I don't suppose they are, but some of them can be a bit militant so I was concerned that your use of their word might land you in trouble.
I would agree absolutely that it should be fine if no animals are exploited: that is the rational and reasonable position, but when it comes to militant vegans, rational and reasonable need not apply...

Rob R



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 16 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I wouldn't advise poking a wasps nest, neither. I think we should just put the whole vegan side of this debate to bed and concentrate on the masses.

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