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Behemoth

...to bunker or not to bunker.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7379741.stm

Are you doing anything and how do you get past planning? Very Happy
StuP

Very Happy Not building a literal bunker certainly. But, as Saint Mears says, skills weigh nothing. Learning to light your own campfire, to catch fish, rabbits etc, how to butcher/prepare them, learning what wild plants are edible. This is the sort of thing that's worth doing whether you're afraid of the imminent downfall of civilization or not.
Rob R

Interesting... the more 'advanced' we've become, the more vulnerable we've become. Rolling Eyes It doesn't take the A-bomb to throw the world into chaos anymore, just blockade a few fuel ports. Laughing
orangepippin

So true. I was unfortunate enough to be driving between York and Derby last year, the day of the gales. The wind blew a few HGVs over on M1, M18 and M62 - and I mean a few, probably no more than 10 or so. Entire region gridlocked for a day. It really made me realise how vulnerable we are.
Stacey

I'm stocking up on bullets and barbed wire Shocked
JB

Quote:
The safe haven should be set up so that you can live it in comfortably for one month


How many of us here are already in the position that we could keep going for one month? I probably already have a one month supply of flour and wood in store, add a few water purification tablets and I could probably manage that one month. A small generator just to keep the freezers ticking over would be useful but it's not that difficult a target.
jamsam

i say bunker!!!!
LynneA

I still have enough Marrow & Ginger jam to feed the South East.
Rob R

That's one of my reasons for being so reluctant towards entrusting our food supply to centralised technology. The survivor has knowledge, the destroyer has technology. pale
vegplot

"Tinned food is probably a must"

Decisive comment!
vegplot

Stacey wrote:
I'm stocking up on bullets and barbed wire Shocked


I seem to have collected an arsenal of weapons that would keep a small army at bay.
Treacodactyl

Quote:
But today there is a new breed of survivalist – and they're well-heeled, well-educated and more likely to wear an immaculately pressed suit than a camouflage flak jacket.


Well-heeled : check
Well-educated : check
Immaculately pressed suit : B*gger Laughing
vegplot

Treacodactyl wrote:
Quote:
But today there is a new breed of survivalist – and they're well-heeled, well-educated and more likely to wear an immaculately pressed suit than a camouflage flak jacket.


Well-heeled : check
Well-educated : check
Immaculately pressed suit : B*gger Laughing


0/3 for me.
Slim

I just need some land....
Chez

We're trying to make sure that we can run off grid if we need to.
Treacodactyl

vegplot wrote:
Treacodactyl wrote:
Quote:
But today there is a new breed of survivalist – and they're well-heeled, well-educated and more likely to wear an immaculately pressed suit than a camouflage flak jacket.


Well-heeled : check
Well-educated : check
Immaculately pressed suit : B*gger Laughing


0/3 for me.


I might be able to blag the first two. Laughing
orangepippin

cpg03 wrote:
I just need some land....

That's where the AK47 comes in handy.
Rob R

If the picture is anything to go by you might be better off with the waders Laughing
Treacodactyl

JB wrote:
Quote:
The safe haven should be set up so that you can live it in comfortably for one month


How many of us here are already in the position that we could keep going for one month? I probably already have a one month supply of flour and wood in store, add a few water purification tablets and I could probably manage that one month. A small generator just to keep the freezers ticking over would be useful but it's not that difficult a target.


Yep, I think we could last well over a month apart from water. I've been very tempted by some of those survival water filters, if the water butts are full we could last for months. As StuP says, picking up plenty of skills can be bad either.

The question is, how do you keep the hoards of zombies from your front door?
sean

vegplot wrote:
"Tinned food is probably a must"

Decisive comment!


It's a typo, he meant "Tinned food is probably a mush"
Chez

Treacodactyl wrote:
The question is, how do you keep the hoards of zombies from your front door?


Well quite. I'm thinking of some kind of semi-automatic mounted on the chimney, myself.
Jonnyboy

Chez wrote:
Treacodactyl wrote:
The question is, how do you keep the hoards of zombies from your front door?


Well quite. I'm thinking of some kind of semi-automatic mounted on the chimney, myself.


Sean of the Dead is essential viewing for that eventuality
Chez

Dogs CAN look up, you know.
vegplot

Treacodactyl wrote:
vegplot wrote:
Treacodactyl wrote:
Quote:
But today there is a new breed of survivalist – and they're well-heeled, well-educated and more likely to wear an immaculately pressed suit than a camouflage flak jacket.


Well-heeled : check
Well-educated : check
Immaculately pressed suit : B*gger Laughing


0/3 for me.


I might be able to blag the first two. Laughing


I can't blag. Embarassed
vegplot

orangepippin wrote:
cpg03 wrote:
I just need some land....

That's where the AK47 comes in handy.


If only the law would let us buy them. Confused
Jonnyboy

vegplot wrote:


If only the law would let us buy them. Confused


Hell, a .22 or 12 bore is far more practical. Ever tried shooting a rabbit with a 7.62?
JB

Treacodactyl wrote:
The question is, how do you keep the hoards of zombies from your front door?


If I recall correctly head shot to the middle of the forehead!

Actually as the article was only discussing the option of holding out for one month that probably would not be a major problem. The author seemed to be more concerned with problems along the lines of major flooding, short term collaps of fuel supplies etc. issues with a foreseeable end which probably wouldn't cause the large scale collapse of civil order but which would just make living difficult.

Of course if you're considering that kind of total collapse of society then I suspect almost none of us would be capable of surviving simply because we wouldn't necessarily be able to defend our "bunker".
vegplot

Jonnyboy wrote:
vegplot wrote:


If only the law would let us buy them. Confused


Hell, a .22 or 12 bore is far more practical. Ever tried shooting a rabbit with a 7.62?


Rabbits?

A .22 won't take down a zombie and a 12 bore is slow to load but you might get 2 or 3 before a reload. An FN P90 is the toy but I'll have to settle for the underlever at least I can 9 shots off quickly.
RichardW

Jonnyboy wrote:

Ever tried shooting a rabbit with a 7.62?


Er no comment & dont mention the sheep either.


Justme
JB

Justme wrote:
Jonnyboy wrote:

Ever tried shooting a rabbit with a 7.62?


Er no comment & dont mention the sheep either.


Justme


You have hunting sheep? Is this to get around the hunting with dogs legislation? or have you trained them as guard sheep to use around the bunker?
Jonnyboy

vegplot wrote:

A .22 won't take down a zombie and a 12 bore is slow to load but you might get 2 or 3 before a reload. An FN P90 is the toy but I'll have to settle for the underlever at least I can 9 shots off quickly.


For zombies surely a SPAS-15 is perfect?
vegplot

Jonnyboy wrote:
vegplot wrote:

A .22 won't take down a zombie and a 12 bore is slow to load but you might get 2 or 3 before a reload. An FN P90 is the toy but I'll have to settle for the underlever at least I can 9 shots off quickly.


For zombies surely a SPAS-15 is perfect?


I have to concede that it would do a very nice job of keeping zombie number down to a sustainable, croppable level.
Slim

I'll stick with my 30-30 if it won the West, it can win the zombie-horde infested East
Jonnyboy

cpg03 wrote:
I'll stick with my 30-30 if it won the West, it can win the zombie-horde infested East


yes, but the indians we running away, zombies will be coming full pelt towards you.
Chez

Jonnyboy wrote:
cpg03 wrote:
I'll stick with my 30-30 if it won the West, it can win the zombie-horde infested East


yes, but the indians we running away, zombies will be coming full pelt towards you.


Probably not full pelt. More kind of shambling.
dpack

be calm and use knowledge
mutate and survive
adapt to the new
a few nice pocket things are good
Jonnyboy

Chez wrote:


Probably not full pelt. More kind of shambling.


Nah, the 'in' zombies are all superfast. Like in '28 days later'
Penny

Funny how we often thinks things and then a few days later they turn up here Very Happy

Herds of Zombies hey - sounds fun.
Frewen

Well I just died on another thread so -eeeuurgggggh - muuust eaaat braaains .....
Shane

Might I suggest that a bunker is perhaps not the best solution to cope with massive flooding?
Stacey

You watched ITV last night as well did you? Laughing
Shane

Nope!
Stacey

You should've - it was a masterpeice
Brownbear

Bunkers are for fools. You're nailed down to one place with lots of things that attract predators. If you want to 'survive' then travel fast and light, and just carry what you need to eat and to kill. Replenish supplies through predation.
dpack

Brownbear wrote:
Bunkers are for fools. You're nailed down to one place with lots of things that attract predators. If you want to 'survive' then travel fast and light, and just carry what you need to eat and to kill. Replenish supplies through predation.

yep
may i add quietly
JB

Brownbear wrote:
Bunkers are for fools. You're nailed down to one place with lots of things that attract predators. If you want to 'survive' then travel fast and light, and just carry what you need to eat and to kill. Replenish supplies through predation.


So you'll be one of the zombies then? Very Happy
sean

vegplot wrote:
... a 12 bore is slow to load but you might get 2 or 3 before a reload.


Surely even with the total breakdown of society a chap would be able to have a matched pair and the services of a loader.
Jonnyboy

sean wrote:

Surely even with the total breakdown of society a chap would be able to have a matched pair and the services of a loader.


And tea.
gnome

from the way the thread is going, clearly simply having a well stocked bunker is not enough - one must also achieve a pretty good high score on Resident Evil.
Treacodactyl

gnome wrote:
from the way the thread is going, clearly simply having a well stocked bunker is not enough - one must also achieve a pretty good high score on Resident Evil.


Milla Jovovich would be very welcome in my bunker... Cool
Jonnyboy

Well, at least she wouldn't eat much of your food.
Rob R

Who?
boisdevie1

Best advice. Learn to sail. Buy a big yacht. Bury lots of food on a very small island somewhere. When it all goes pear shaped set off to sea and visit your island at night to restock. Otherwise stay well clear of the land. And probably an awful lot cheaper than a bunker.
Chez

What Rob said.
Jonnyboy

boisdevie1 wrote:
Best advice. Learn to sail. Buy a big yacht. Bury lots of food on a very small island somewhere. When it all goes pear shaped set off to sea and visit your island at night to restock. Otherwise stay well clear of the land. And probably an awful lot cheaper than a bunker.


Learn to sail, buy a gun, steal a yacht. Cool
gnome

boisdevie1 wrote:
Best advice. Learn to sail. Buy a big yacht. Bury lots of food on a very small island somewhere. When it all goes pear shaped set off to sea and visit your island at night to restock. Otherwise stay well clear of the land. And probably an awful lot cheaper than a bunker.

better still = buy a small submarine, because if there are floods, then that very small island will probably be completelyy underwater.
Treacodactyl

Rob R wrote:
Who?


The 5th Element
Rob R

What? Confused
gnome

Rob R wrote:
Who?


she was in te movie version of resident evil. she is very good at killing mutant zombies. i'd sooner have her in my bunker than Shawn and his flatulant friend.
Nick

You're going to have to explain the Television to Rob. And then electricity, and entertainment, and it'll be like explaining a microwave to a caveman.
JB

Nick wrote:
You're going to have to explain the Television to Rob. And then electricity, and entertainment, and it'll be like explaining a microwave to a caveman.


I like the fact that you'll have to explain all those to Rob but that you won't have to explain zombies to him Very Happy
Nick

He lives in Yorkshire.
gnome

Nick wrote:
He lives in Yorkshire.
some parts of yorkshire border lancashire - so they do have electricity now.
Nick

Well, yes. But you can hardly count lightning as useful electricity, except for jump starting some Igor based anatomy.
Stacey

Jonnyboy wrote:
boisdevie1 wrote:
Best advice. Learn to sail. Buy a big yacht. Bury lots of food on a very small island somewhere. When it all goes pear shaped set off to sea and visit your island at night to restock. Otherwise stay well clear of the land. And probably an awful lot cheaper than a bunker.


Learn to sail, buy a gun, steal a yacht. Cool

Anarchist Evil or Very Mad
Jonnyboy

Stacey wrote:


Anarchist Evil or Very Mad


How can I be an anarchist after the collapse of society? Wink
Stacey

Jonnyboy wrote:
Stacey wrote:


Anarchist Evil or Very Mad


How can I be an anarchist after the collapse of society? Wink


Pedant Evil or Very Mad
Rob R

Microwave?
Brownbear

Rob R wrote:
Microwave?


Giblets.
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