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| moogie |
Bad DaySo far today....1. My goldfish died 2. I have reached my overdraft limit on my Natwest account. Direct debits due tomorrow. This is my own fault I know. Should have been more careful. 3. The cash machine ate my bank card for the account where I keep 'emergency' money 4. Its a Cahoot account so I can't go in and get the cash out with ID 5. Natwest won't increase my overdraft, even for a week til I get my new cahoot card through so I'm going to get charged. I would go into a rant about Natwest but all banks are the same so why bother?! I would change banks but you can hardly transfer what you haven't got, can you! 6. My neighbours won't leave me alone and keep pestering me for stuff this morning. Just because I work from home doesn't mean I don't work. 7. It started raining and my washing was on the line. Just about had enough for one lifetime. This year has been crap so far and I swear its getting worse. 
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| bagpuss |
On the whole with cahoot I have found them to be very helpful over the phone.
while getting access to your account to transfer money will still take 4 days its shorter then the length of time it might take you to get a new card log into your account and transfer money from there. It is really easy to do hope the rest of your day improves |
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| judith |
No advice, but lots of sympathy. Do you have easy access to any chocolate? | ||||
| tahir |
Good luck 
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| moogie |
Yes, have logged in and transferred the money. Normally I would do that anyway, but have been at my parents house for a week doing jobs for them. Its just bad luck it happened this week. Cahoot were brilliant when I rang them up, but then as you say, Bagpuss, they usually are. I might use them for my banking in the future and have Natwest as my emergency fund account. They are much more straighforward to deal with.
Have borrowed the money off my ex   because otherwise natwest will charge me twice. Once for going over my overdraft limit, and second time for non payment of a direct debit. And its only for the time it takes for the money to get into my account. Just hate being in debt to him, even for five minutes as it gives him control and he's very controlling.
Have found some chocolate left over from Easter and having a cup of chamomile tea. It could be worse. It could be snowing and my washing could have frozen, and both my goldfish could have died. And I'm lucky to have my Cahoot account with some money in it. And an ex who will lend it. And I'm lucky to have Downsizer to moan about it on. Adn some chocolate. It'd have been worse without chocolate Judith! |
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| judith |
Glad things have picked up a bit Moogie. | ||||
| moogie |
Thanks, me too! They haven't really picked up, just a different way of looking at it! | ||||
| Nanny |
bad daychin up moogiehope it all gets better............ (don't i sound dreadfully raj?) |
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| hils |
nat west are w@nk£r$. I used to work for them tell em to p!$$ off.
Have an hour out moogie - I know you're working from home but it will probably be more productive chilling for a bit than stewing. Hope your day picks up. |
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| moogie |
Still not having a good day but nothing has got worse. Think its all about perception. Had half an hour off for lunch and to read my book and now I'm curled up on my bed with the cat making notes for the report that has to be written by Friday. All is peaceful. My neighbours keep ringing my mobile and banging on the door so have drawn the curtains and I'm sat upstairs. Have put my mobile on silent. Good thing they haven't got my landline number or I'd have to kill them.
In fact I shall have a rant about them. They are unemployed layabouts who have nothing better to do than watch endless day time tv and gossip. They are so lazy that although they have got a big garden of their own with a veg patch they haven't planted any veg and keep looking over the fence and asking me for mine. Needless to say they aren't getting any. I'm always giving them stuff and I don't have that much myself. What I earn I work bloody hard for. They, on the other hand, get around £2000 in benefits a month (I know this as they ask me to do all their paperwork for them - keep it all in order etc). Plus their rent, council tax etc paid for them. I pay my own council tax, mortgage and other bills and hardly ever ask to borrow anything from any one, except my ex today and I wouldn't have had to do that if the cashpoint hadn't eaten my cash card. Oh and I'm not on any benefits. They are even getting new beds bought by the council although there is nothing wrong with the old ones. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with being on benefits if you really need them, can't get a job, are ill or whatever, but I do object to people like that who don't work only because they are too lazy to get a job. There is nothing wrong with any of them. They have even admitted to me that they just can't be bothered. Well I'm f&%ing sick of it. I don't believe this, they are on the door again!!!!!!!!
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| Gertie |
Ah, sorry to hear about your goldfish.
Pleased that you got something sorted out to ease the finances - well, at least your ex is good for something after all. Moogie, we can still moan about him when all this is cleared up.
I'm sending you a big hug, mate, hope you are feeling better. |
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| Bugs |
Poor old Moogie, nothing much to say except to sympathise, I think I'd have resorted to violence before now.
If you fancy a bit of revenge fantasy put this in your bookmarks (although it sounds like they're not even enterprising fraudsters!) http://www.targetingbenefitfraud.gov.uk/report.html |
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| Northern_Lad |
Can't be that bad if you've got a cat that can take notes. 
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| moogie |
just went down and told them I've had enough. You should have seen her face.
I don't normally do things like that. I'm usually quiet and mind my own business, and I always do unto others... but today it is just too much. Anyway, as for doing unto others, I'll start by banging repeatedly on their door when Trisha and Neighbours is on and ringing their mobys constantly and see how they like it. Then I'll endlessly borrow milk and tea bags and money and never repay them and then I'll play my music loud in the middle of the night and keep them awake. Just realised I've got really really really antisocial neighbours. I'm no prude but I am fed up. I do feel like reporting them to the benefit fraud people. I'll have a think about it. Only they'll start harassing me then probably. Have to be a bit wary as he held up the pub with an air rifle last new years eve 
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| moogie |
yes he's very helpful. He can read too!!
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| sean |
If you walked into a pub round here with an air-rifle you'd get laughed at. | ||||
| wellington womble |
Good lord, I think you've been had moogie - you do your neighbours paperwork for them? Next time they ask you to do something, tell them (politely but firmly) you're very sorry, but you're working! Humph - will go and rant at the dogs on your behalf! They will sympathise (except with the cat!) | ||||
| moogie |
I think I've been had too!!!! I try and help people out where I can, because that is how I am, but this is taking advantage and taking the micky. Now someone from the next village has just text me and said that they've heard my neighbours have upset me and asked what is going on! This place is gossip central. My advice to anyone thinking of moving to a small valley community is don't bother. And to think my bad day started out with a swallowed up cash card and a dead goldfish. Actually it is laughable how stressed I've got over this. | ||||
| sean |
Selective editing I know, but I quite like knowing that the bloke who runs the card shop has been stalking the ex-mayoress. And she's not the first apparently.
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| moogie |
so do I usually. But recently my neighbours have split up. They are both accusing the other of child abuse and domestic violence. Her best friend lives across the road and watches everything I do and reports back. People I don't know stop me in the street and ask if I know what is going on because I live next door! I've been brought up to mind my own business so I just say if they want to know anything they need to ask my neighbours. I'm sure they all think I'm a terrible addition to the neighbourhood cos I won't gossip at all!! Really feel stuck in the middle of it and to make matters worse this is how they carry on all the time!!!!!
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| moogie |
ok, thoroughly lost my temper with them and told them straight I'd had enough and was sick of them. Feel much better!! | ||||
| tahir |
Well done. |
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| footprints |
Bad Day (worse neighbours)
Hey tell me about it (as the yanks say) My neighbour. 4 kids 2 cars/sky tv etc. All usual benifits paid for by the state. Managed to dodge work for 20 years on the pretense of a bad back, had to get a job 'cos someone bubbled him. He's got a job, second cars gone. But......... bet he got his self respect back 
Think that was bad? When the aforementioned bought his council house, he managed to find money to have renovations done. The guy that re-rendered and pebbledashed the outside of his house was on disability He had a car on disability scheme. Was seperated from his wife and clutch of kids. Council is housing him, cos he is seperated from his wife and he receives all associated benefits. Then his wife is also getting the same deal.
Want some more??? Speaking to a friend at the weekend. He works for customs on the boats to Ireland. Amongst the seizures of millions of ciggies and various other items of contraband, he mentioned another scam they were watching. People (various ethnic origins) signing on for their benefits on the mainland, and getting the ferry to ireland to sign on again. (that's taking the proverbial in stereo
we contribute through taxes etc. (give by standing order to various other charities) and support all those who for one reason or another are down on their luck (all been there) We don't however support those that would take the p### I think that there is huge potential for a website that allows the posting of details of people "that are taking the p###" (including MP's) There could be anon posting, and rewards for prosecutions resulting from. (you could donate the fee to a favourite charity) Enough...... Who started that?? (pop the cork, turn the phones off) |
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| moogie |
Well said footprints. I think this all goes nicely with Julie's rant about the country http://forum.downsizer.net/viewtopic.php?t=4744. What is this country coming to?????? Why is money being wasted left right and centre on pointless things that could be better resolved with half an ounce of sense and less money.
Oh I forgot to say that both my neighbour and his ex are getting legal aid to pay for their pointless court action against each other. Neither really believes the other is actually committing child abuse becuase I have asked both of them, and believe me, if I'd seen any I'd have celled Social Services. They have both said that they are doing it to wind the other up. Well I'm sick of paying for people like this. Its their poor kids I feel sorry for. They don't know if they are coming or going, and I'm very fond of them. The troubl;e is they know I would do anything for the kids so they use that to manipulate me. Why doesn't someone, anyone, get off their arses and stop people like this taking our hard earned money and the whole system for a ride. I'm not vilifying people on benefits, just those who are on them because it pays them more to stay on them than get a job, and getting a job would mean them giving up daytime tv. I felt much better once I'd got off my chest to the neighbours how inconsiderate they were being. I had to have a fag when I got back to calm down and I gave up smoking years ago  . I'm not doing it again though, I am not going to start smoking again because of them.
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| moogie |
Re: Bad Day (worse neighbours)
I'll start it. Can already think of several people I'd like to add. The neighbours - on both sides - not just the benefit fraudsters, my ex's mother, Natwest, reality tv shows |
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| Mrs Fiddlesticks |
hope you're having a better day today Moogie!
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| moogie |
Thanks Julie. So far so good. Have turned off my mobile, unplugged the landline and stuck a huge sign to my front door saying "do not disturb, I am working!" Cat is fed and asleep in a patch of sun. Got Jack Johnson on the stereo (he is such good summer listening) and I'm settling down to write the report that I should have done yesterday! Fingers crossed!! Then once I've gotthat done, I'm going to go into the garden and play with my plants until it gets dark. Hoping for a peaceful, quiet day. If I don't get it then the loud bang you'll hear will be my head exploding .
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| Bugs |
Fingers crossed that you can read the cat's writing?
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| moogie |
yes, he tends to smudge it with his paws sometimes and then not even he can read what he's written.
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| Nanny |
bad dayglad to hear you're a bit better today moogielook forward to hearing from you.............. |
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| mrsnesbitt |
yeah I agree with nanny here moogie, glad things are looking up! | ||||
| Guest |
Moogie and Footprints - -
check here: http://www.targetingbenefitfraud.gov.uk/ |
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| moogie |
You won't believe it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The big sign on my door saying do not disturb has failed to deter them. They are now standing in their back garden shouting to me through the open window. FOR F^&*'s SAKE!!!!!!!!! I HATE THESE PEOPLE!!!!!! I'm going to ring the benefit people. At least if they were forced into working they wouldn't have any time to disturb me. The trouble with them is they all have too much time on their hands. I REFUSE to close my window. I'm just going to ignore them. And they can scream themselves hoarse.
I like living here except for this. It is almost enough to make me consider selling up except I don't see why I should be forced out of my own home and its not always as bad as this. Big Bang as brain explodes across the room. |
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| Behemoth |
Are they a bit 'simple'? | ||||
| moogie |
Yes. When they want to be. It suits them to be because it means they don't have to do things like get a job or take notice when people say no or hang notices on their door saying do not disturb. | ||||
| mrsnesbitt |
moogie chuck......put these in a vase, with love from mexxx | ||||
| moogie |
aah, bless. Thanks Mrs Nesbitt. | ||||
| moogie |
Update on my terrible neighbours. I had a number of abusive texts and phone calls on friday after asking them (politely) to bring in the hoe I had lent them sometime back from the rain as I didn't want it going rusty. I changed my mobile number on friday night (O2 customer services were really helpful and extremely sympathetic).
Got back to my house today after spending the weekend with my parents to be confronted by his new girlfriend (who is 16, he's 40) demanding to know why I had changed it. I told her quite quietly and calmly I felt there had been no need for them to be so abusive on Friday, that I was fed up of the way they were carrying on, and no they weren't having my new mobile number. Her words were, and I quote "kiss my arse, you f%^&ing bitch". I told her to grow up and went inside. Have seriously been considering moving over the weekend, but I love my house and garden and don't see why I should. I cried and cried on Friday I was so upset but now I'm just plain angry. I've done nothing but try and help them in the four years I've known them. Its only because I've got so much on my plate with my business, my PhD, my extremely ill father, and a life of my own that I've asked them to back off a bit. And I've asked them nicely. I refuse to be pushed around by a kid and a lazy man. So I'm not moving. I shall fight them every step of the way. |
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| RoryD |
Have you done the benefit fraud hotline yet? Please please do so... | ||||
| Mrs Fiddlesticks |
I've a feeling that what they are doing is harrasment and a quiet word with the police might be another step - don't threaten them with it, just do it anyways. I know sometimes the police aren't interested but abusive texts are going too far - and if you can show them to the police, and keep a record of this trouble that might be an idea.
Do hope things improve, sounds awful for you. |
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| Behemoth |
From what you've said they sound a bit demented - I'd start keeping a log of contact with them and try not to dweel on them, view them as an incidental annoyance, along with all the rest, and keep focussed on what's important to you. | ||||
| moogie |
Not yet gone on the benefit hotline but I am intending to.
Do you think I could mention it to the police? The man at O2 also said I should when I explained to him why I wanted my number changed. I want call them and I think it is the right thing to do but I wasn't sure because in some ways I feel like I have caused it myself for being friendly to them in the first place. But then, on the other hand, if you aren't friendly to your neighbours who can you be friendly to? And I wasn't to know they'd end up demented (as Behemoth so rightly describes them). Shall definately start a log. Have saved the abusive messages on my phone so I can show the police. I am also worried because they are clearly completely insane and I can well imagine what will start happening now to my house, car etc. But on the other hand they are pretty lazy so maybe they won't be bothered to do anything. At least all is peaceful for five minutes, and I can get some work done. It may be nasty now but with a bit of luck my life will be much better for it (well more peaceful at least!) |
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| tahir |
You should definitely mention it to the police, they probably won't do anything but they may give you some advice. | ||||
| judith |
Moogie, if the calls are that abusive, then it would be a good idea to talk to the police. Even if they say there is nothing they can do for now, at least you have flagged the situation with them. They might be able to give you some advice on dealing with the situation or even send someone round to have a "chat" with them.
The whole situation sounds totally miserable for you - you have my heartfelt sympathy. It is just not fair when people start to prevent you enjoying your life and home just out of unreasonableness. |
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| jema |
I find it quite hard to give advice, as all we have is a one sided view of things. But the involvement of the police is probably unlikely to calm things down, and you may well go from some annoying abuse to a lot worse
Are there any other neighbours, mutual friends etc, that might mediate at all? |
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| Nanny |
bad dayi should certainly speak to the policethey may just say they can do nothing and advise you to seek advice from a solicitor but it will be recorded by them on tape. then if you have to ring again or it gets nastier you have somethign to refer to. if you find that you have had to change your mobile number due to harrassing phone calls, test messages and they find out your number again you may have an offence there surely. certainly i would log every incident and phone call and also every time you speak to the police as it helps to be able to give them a time and date to look on a tape. |
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| tahir |
I don't think the police would be getting involved at this stage unless some actual physical actions were taken, I'm thinking more of what they might suggest as good strategies of dealing witrh the problem and maybe the kind of evidence they'd need if things escalate. | ||||
| moogie |
Have to go to Cardiff later so will stop by the police station (if its open - funny openning times cos its so tiny) on the way and talk to some one about it. Have gone on the benefit fraud webpage and written down the number so shall think exactly what I'm going to say about why I think they are committing benefit fraud and then ring them up with a good case. I know some of the other people in my street have had problems with them - noise, abuse etc, so may talk to a couple and see if we can raise it jointly with the police or get a petition or something. Can also raise it with the agency that lets their house as I'd imagine there should be a clause in their contract about not causing a nuicance to neighbours or something.
I think I remember reading that my local councillor is trying to stop anti social behaviour in the valley so might be worth making an appointment to see him as well. My neighbours won't know what has hit them by the time I finish. |
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| Nanny |
bad daymay be asbo time then?could be the only qualification they ever get.......... |
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| moogie |
asbo is definately what I'm thinking and yes it will be the only qualification they ever get .They certainly aren't getting one for intelligence. When I'm in Cardiff I also intend to get a couple of good quality webcams to set up around my property, front and back to record anything they do to my property, so I have a record and proof.
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| Nanny |
bad daygo for the throat moogie..............they've had their chance |
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| Bernie66 |
my only other advice is to diarise everything continuouslly. however small. its surprising how it helps when needed or when an incident that the police can respond to properly occurs, good luck | ||||
| judith |
And be careful - please. | ||||
| Bugs |
Moogie, that website suggests that you don't have to give your own details, after all, they have to do their own investigations whatever evidence you offer, I think they are looking for tips of suitable places to direct their investigations, rather than you having to do all the work for them. Personally I would avoid giving my details if I possibly could but of course it is up to you. People are right about going to the police for some advice and to make sure that things are recorded and in the right direction. Be careful with the webcams though, and check up on your responsiblilities using them, for example you may have to have signs in order for you to be able to use the evidence and you must take care that they are only filming your property and that your neighbours can't claim that they are invading their privacy  That would be another thing to perhaps check with the police?
Join Judith in her "take care". And good luck. |
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| moogie |
Thank you everyone for all your lovely support and advice  . You have no idea how much I need it at the moment.
You are right Bugs, shall definately ask the police about the webcams before I get any (don't want to get myself in trouble!!), I am in luck with video evidence as my house backs on to a school with cctv, so the bottom of my garden is under legit surveillence any way! Will definately not be giving my details to the benefit hotline. I was so relieved to read I could do it anonymously! The fight starts here!!!!!!! :blackknight: |
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| Lozzie |
Moogie there may be others who could help, or advise, all anonymously -
http://www.nfh.org.uk/index.php Also I wondered if anyone else in your neighbourhood or street was having a problem with these prats. Sending you lots of love - L x |
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| nora |
If they are tenants, their behaviour could get them evicted. BUT....Be very careful Moogie as if they are deranged you must make sure you keep yourself safe. Are you sure she is 16, not younger (my suspicious child protection aware nursey mind working overtime here I expect, hope so anyway) | ||||
| Gertie |
No one, especially nice folk like Moogie, should have to put up with this type of nuisance neighbour - if I had my way I'd have the whole lot deported to an island and let the b*ggers get on with it.
Hah, if I ruled the world 
Please be careful, Moogie, I think if this goes on any longer you may need a couple of young six foot four burly guys to come and stay with you for a while (preferably armed with baseball bats!).
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| Treacodactyl |
On a slightly different tack this is one of the areas that it make a huge amount of sense to tighten up on. Neighbours can still make neighbourhoods very unpleasant and with the pressure on housing it would seem logical for the councils to be far more active in reducing such scum.
Most residential areas should be calm and quiet places rather than areas to allow noisy businesses to be run from and why is it everyone's right to have loud music blaring away until late at night? Grrrrr. Anyway, do write down everything as when I tried to complain a few years back the council wanted a months diary before even getting off their chairs and above all do take care. On a brighter note you could always host a downsizer bash at you house and a varied 'mixed group' of people might turn up and scare off your neighbours.
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| dougal |
I thought there was a pilot project for this, with the people you'd hate as neighbours being locked up in a house under video surveillance. But for some reason, they seem to be letting them out, one at a time... Just a point which may or may not be relevant. They may have already committed blackmail. Just like the over-enthusiastic car clampers of last week, who were jailed. If they have - made a demand - with menaces - and the demand was 'unwarranted' (ie unjustified either in the substance or the menace) - and the demand was made either "with a view to a (monetary) gain" for themselves (eg you doing something for them that would get them money), (or to a monetary loss for you, eg to prevent you working) then that is blackmail. If you have evidence in the form of a phone recording, the Police ought to be *very* interested. You should have a word with O2 so that the message can be saved for more than the usual number of days. Good luck! . |
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| moogie |
So far no more trouble, but in answer to all your points:
Yes, she is 16. As soon as she turned 16 (in Feb) he kicked his partner of nine years out the house and moved the little cow in (Not that his ex partner was any better). Social Services are involved with his kids so I hope they are keeping an eye on her as well. Almost everyone in the village has had a problem with this guy over the years but it is a bit unusual as he hardly ever goes out anymore, just manages to create trouble from in front of his telly. My ex, several of his friends, and my best friend who is very scary unless you know him, are already threatening to come round and sort them out. I'm trying not to go down this path as it will get me (and them) into trouble, and my neighbours will come out smelling of roses - remember the woman who fired at the feet of the thugs. Might be worth getting them to come and stay and look scary for a bit though .
Treacodactyl is right, I'll hold a downsizers bash, but I'm expecting you all to turn up with various gardening tools and look frightening and say grrrr loudly whilst brandishing trowels and forks at them. If any one has got any unruly livestock that might bite or attack them you are welcome to bring that too .
Shall have a think about whether I'm being blackmailed. I'm not sure if i am or not really according to your definition Dougal. They are menacing, and they have made demands, and they have caused me monetary loss by stopping me working, oh and by leading me to change my mobile number as it means I have almost certainly lost customers from my business. But not sure it qualifies as blackmail. Hmmmm. The police station was shut last night, but my appointment in Cardiff was actually to see a solicitor about a book I am ghost writing. While I was there, he seemed quite friendly , so I asked him quickly about it (I wasn't paying for it, the book people are!) and he advised me, as you all have, to keep a log, and that if it goes on, I can take out an injunction against them, but I'd need the record before they can do that. I thought an injunction was meant to stop the person coming within 50feet of you or something so I'm not sure how that would work as they live about two feet away from me! I didn't like to ask.
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| Bernie66 |
Keep your chin up, keep logging all events, and keep talking to your friends~it might help to keep you sane | ||||
| dougal |
They may have cost you money. But only if that was the intention of the unwarranted demand with menaces is it Blackmail. But *with* that intention, it certainly would be Blackmail in law. And with evidence, the Police should be *very* interested. Meantime, "non illegitemi carborundum"...
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| Nanny |
bad daykeep going moogie, you can do it.....................we are all on your side and supporting you don't forget |
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| moogie |
Well, I don't think I qualify for blackmail. Thank you though Dougal. They have made menaces but not with the intention of making me lose money or extorting money from me; they have tried to menace me into doing things for them, which has then resulted in me losing money.
Thank you for all your kind wishes, help and support. You have no idea how much it means. Have rearranged my garden today so there is no way they can get in without a ladder on both sides of the fence, and with a couple of exceptions my plants are now out the way from malicious harm. Now just have to think of how to keep them out of my front yard. I know someone who would make me a lockable gate but can't decide what to do about getting my post. |
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| Simon |
Our thoughts are with you Moogie, hope that this week has been better. With ref. the neighbours - I think plan A was best .... just kill 'em. Oh how I miss our life in Ferry Close .... it was so similar (except I didn't grow any veg) Lucky you!
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| wellington womble |
Isn't that big brother?
I was on the royal mail site yesterday, and you ucaan rent a roadside mailbox (delivery and collection) for about £8 - would thta solve your problem? It was a bit light on details, but might be worth looking into. Good luck and take care! |
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| moogie |
Yes, I will look into that. Sounds promising. Thank you.
After all your support through my bad times recently, I thought you might like to hear about my wonderful day yesterday, which was brilliant, just what I needed, made me forget my troubles and made my year. I went to see U2 play at Cardiff last night. I queued all day to get into the pit at the very front, and so was about 20 feet from the stage all night. I sold my spare ticket on ebay to a lovely bloke from Belfast who I met up with. The killers were support (HURRAH!!!! ), but U2 were just the best, easily the best concert I have ever been to. The guy from Belfast put my on his shoulders so I had a perfect view. Had the best time.
And when I came out, I had a text from my best mate (who wasn't there) asking which gate I was coming out of. When I came out the gate and started walking down the road, I sudddenly saw him stood next to a big limo - he'd hired it as a treat to take me home because I've been having a bit of a rough time recently!!!!!!!! Had a fantastic night, made a great new friend, and realised what great friends I've already got (plus all of you on here). I really am the luckiest girl in the world, terrible neighbours or not. Big big big smile!!!!!
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| judith |
Sounds like a brilliant evening. And what a wonderful gesture from your friend.
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| moogie |
It was amazing, and I couldn't ask for a nicer best mate. He is wonderful anyway, even when he is not doing things like that. | ||||
| Bernie66 |
Glad it's not all bad at moment. True friends are one of the best "assets" (for want of a better way of putting it) anyone can have. You keep smiling girl
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| Gertie |
Pleased you had a great time at the U2 gig!!
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