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Nick

Buying a tractor.

I have to buy a tractor. We sort of fell into our last one, and it was grand, although not big enough. I need one which can haul round bales of hay (I have rear forks), and a front loader bit would be handy for pushing crap about. I don't need much else. I've a budget of between 2-3000, I suppose.

As always, eBay is full of them, and there are farm auctions weekly roundabout. What are the bits I need to check on any tractor? I'm thinking starting, brakes, PTO, hydraulics and a dipstick test.

I'm planning on avoiding the Chinese imports, and looking at MF, Ford, David Brown, International.

This sort of thing, I guess, but I confess I'm lost. Anyone got tuppence worth to share, please?
Tavascarow

If you want a fore end loader I would get a machine with power steering.
Our old MF 165 was a pig to steer with the loader on.
tahir

That's a lot cleaner than Richard's one (forgot to ask him Embarassed )

Do you still want me to ask him?
Nick

I thought the nagging PM was a clue.

However, if I wasn't clear enough, YES, please. Smile

Louise is looking for an excuse to visit you, anyway...
RichardW

If you want a fore end loader I would get a machine with power steering.
Our old MF 165 was a pig to steer with the loader on.


With a front loader you really need 4 wheel drive too.
Rob R

If you want a fore end loader I would get a machine with power steering.
Our old MF 165 was a pig to steer with the loader on.


With a front loader you really need 4 wheel drive too.

Why? He's only moving a few bales around & some other stuff occasionally, and with a budget of up to 3k. Those things would be nice, but not essential. It'll save him money on going to the gym, too. Smile
tahir

I thought the nagging PM was a clue.

However, if I wasn't clear enough, YES, please. Smile

Louise is looking for an excuse to visit you, anyway...

Alright let me check
tahir

He says no. We've bought a hedge cutter (non flail type) which is going to be tricky to get on/off our little Ferrari so he's going to stick it on the International. It'll save him coming and swapping implements for the missus. (But you're still welcome to visit) Nick

OK, no drama. Thanks.

And, as for 4WD, my land is wet, but not boggy, and flat. The most demanding job will be moving large hay bales in the snow.
RichardW


And, as for 4WD, my land is wet, but not boggy, and flat. The most demanding job will be moving large hay bales in the snow.

Trust me, even when moving bales (ok so it was silage so a bit heavier than hay) around the yard on hard standing we would get the MF165 2wd stuck in winter. Actually taking it in a field in winter was guaranteed to get it stuck. A large rear weight would help. But with your budget you will be very lucky to get 4wd & a loader any way. After a couple of years with the MF165 we bought a MF590 4wd. So much easier to get the work done.
Rob R

How much did you pay for the 590?

I admit, on soft ground using a loader on soft ground can be challenging, but how do you manage to get one stuck on hard going? scratch
Nick

I lifted them on the back of a Ford 1100 last year, and didn't get stuck once. Pulled the odd wheelie, despite as many weights as I could fit on, tho, hence the requirement for something a tad larger. Front loader would really be as a bit of a bull dozer to move gash about when needing to. RichardW

How much did you pay for the 590?

I admit, on soft ground using a loader on soft ground can be challenging, but how do you manage to get one stuck on hard going? scratch

It was about 3500 inc del (bit of a bargain) from a dealer Devon / Cornwall way. They often did runs to Holyhead so could drop it off when coming this way empty. Round here 4wd & loader = 5k plus vat minimum starting price for a wreck.

Used to get it stuck lifting silage to feed the cattle as the rear end would lift as they weighed so much. The yard was loose slate stone as well so the lowered weight on the rear would loose enough traction especially when wet / icy. You had to stop very gently or you would over balance. Should really have had a 1/2 ton weight on the back or antifreeze filled tyres.
RichardW

I lifted them on the back of a Ford 1100 last year, and didn't get stuck once.

Weight on the back helps with traction. Weight on the front reduces it.
Mrs R

pfffft our JD is 2wd and our land flat and wet as it comes but I've not known Paul get stuck with it! Perhaps you just have to be a skillful driver Cool damn paul won't be reading this so it's not even asif I'll get any brownie points! Nick

I lifted them on the back of a Ford 1100 last year, and didn't get stuck once.

Weight on the back helps with traction. Weight on the front reduces it.

I didn't have an issue with traction. Ever. I had an issue with steering, because the front wheels were 3 feet above ground level. Smile
tahir

I had an issue with steering, because the front wheels were 3 feet above ground level. Smile

On the plus side must have been very light to steer...
12Bore

I had an issue with steering, because the front wheels were 3 feet above ground level. Smile

On the plus side must have been very light to steer...

and the tyres would last forever! Laughing
Nick

Visibility was limited. By the bonnet. Rob R


Used to get it stuck lifting silage to feed the cattle as the rear end would lift as they weighed so much. The yard was loose slate stone as well so the lowered weight on the rear would loose enough traction especially when wet / icy. You had to stop very gently or you would over balance. Should really have had a 1/2 ton weight on the back or antifreeze filled tyres.

Ah, I thought you meant stuck as in up to the axles. A 2WD should be fine for Nick as long as he has it ballasted when he's using the loader. Not something I would stretch the budget to accomodate, nice if you're using it all the time or want to spend the money, but not what I'd describe as a need in this scenario.
RichardW

I lifted them on the back of a Ford 1100 last year, and didn't get stuck once.

Weight on the back helps with traction. Weight on the front reduces it.

I didn't have an issue with traction. Ever. I had an issue with steering, because the front wheels were 3 feet above ground level. Smile

Ok I will try again slowly.

You had the weight on the back which increases traction, with a front loader it will be on the front which reduces it. In effect you will have the rear wheels off the ground like you used to have the front ones.

So load one on the front & one on the back & your sorted.
Nick

I understand.

The bale will be on the back.
RichardW

Ah I see you wont be using the loader to move the bales. Forget the 4wd then. Nick

Ah I see you wont be using the loader to move the bales. Forget the 4wd then.

No. I typed it slow this time, to help out. Wink
RichardW



No. I typed it slow this time, to help out. Wink

I need it at the min my brain is like mush Confused
Castle Farm

Hi Nick.
I bought a Case 695 (70 HP) from Shobdon 2 sales back.

Ex Surrey County Council, so it's done no hard work.

Power steering and L cab. Everything works fine. Never been off the road by the look of it.

Michelin Tyres 80% back and brand new Landrover tyres on the front.

Taxed untill next March.
I had to replace the front grill (140) and I have given it a coat of paint where the yellow council colour has chipped off the red underneath.

Bought a Topper to go with it and gave it a hard days work last week.

She runs as sweet as a nut and starts first time on the key.

It's difficult to say without seeing a tractor on what it's worth, but replacing stuff costs a bomb.

I paid 3700 on the hammer but vat and buyers premium knocked that up to 4500, so try to buy private and without vat.

It was an investment at that money and should see me out.

As for lugging big bales about I'm getting a pallet loader on the back.
Nick

Real work prevented me getting to Shobdon last week, but I'll go next time, even if onmly to see the kind of things about. Yours sounds a good deal, but a little larger than I'd need, so I wouldn't have been competition for you. Smile Rob R

Not that you should pay any more based on how long it's taxed for Wink Nick

A tax disc costing, what, 150 quid isn't an asset? Behemoth

only on the highway. Nick

It doesn't have to go on the highway for it to be a requirement. RichardW

It doesn't have to go on the highway for it to be a requirement.

Really?

A tax disc costing, what, 150 quid isn't an asset?

Agri tax is FREE
Nick

Ah, ok. Wasn't aware of that subsidy. My old one didn't need tax.
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