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Jam Lady

Deer Hunting Season Has Begun

And the young man who bow hunts on our property got a young doe within 30 minutes of settling into his tree stand.

Paunch, left the innards for the coyotes and foxes. Took her home to skin and quarter and chill. I'll get my half (forequarter, hind quarter, and back strap) on Sunday. I'll dress down to roasts and steaks and stew meat. Good eating.

He says they're all over the place so there may be more venison coming my way before bow season ends and black powder begins.
Slim

Jam Lady, I've brought up bow hunting here before. It's definitely a cultural divide between our side of the pond and theirs!
Pilsbury

Thing is American hunting bows are nothing like anything we would have In the UK where all bow hunting is illegal.
I have watched videos of it and the power their produce is astonishing but I can't imagine there are many instant clean kills using a bow which is something I would hope to provide any animal I hunted to the best of my ability.
Jam Lady

Well, he said she dropped and was still, not thrashing or anything.

He's hunting from a tree stand, not stalking.

Probably a cleaner kill than the ones hit by car that we see dead on the side of the road.
dpack

my 50lb longbow has a better flight and terminal ballistic power than the 70lb( compound with wheels )usa style hunting bow i used to have.

with a modern style broadhead it has the potential to produce a wound track as catastrophically fatal as a baby browning.

however my saluki and grey x saluki would probably be the easy option if i went deer hunting.

as both are "illegal" i wouldnt do such a thing and there are often roadkill or cull deer to be had in the uk.

lightly cold smoked venison jerky made from fresh is my favorite way to prepare them as im not keen on roast or stewed and hung til "high"as many brits seem to do is vile.

a perch might be easier to hit one from but i have been told that the kindest kill is from a low lair,30 degrees off the beast's body line and into the chest cavity from behind the ribs which causes massive blood loss from liver ,lungs and circulatory system leading to collapse in seconds and death soon after.
Treacodactyl

Jam Lady, I've brought up bow hunting here before. It's definitely a cultural divide between our side of the pond and theirs!


There seems to be plenty in the US that don't agree with bow hunting, well bow hunting dentists at any rate. Wink

I think those over here that think the issues through would agree it's not just about what is used to hunt but the ability of the weapon and shooter to do a good job.

Enjoy your Venison JL, do you have anyone local who shoots black powder?
Bodger

What you must remember, is that bow shots are taken at around ten yards or less. The skill is not in just aiming the bow but also in getting into a position to take the shot at a very close range.
Hunting with the bow, is actually just as humane as shooting with a rifle. Nothing in this world is 100% and there are poor bow hunters, just as there are poor rifle shooters.
dpack

at ten yards i could hunt flies Laughing
Jam Lady

Treacodactyl, there is someone who has previously hunted our property using a shotgun with a solid slug (called a sabot, I believe.) Edited to add - he still hunts. Picks a spot and sits there, for hours in needed, sometimes with snow settling on his head and shoulders, beard and all.

There are different seasons for bow hunting, black powder, and the shotgun / solid slug. Here in New Jersey long guns - rifles such as a 30-06 - are not allowed as they have such a long "carry" and we are considered too densely populated.

It is different across the Delaware river in Pennsylvania. There's hunting on the state land there, as well as on private property.

And when we were in Colorado last week it was bow hunting season in the national forest. For example, the San Juan National Forest (one of the places we were off-roading) is 2,936 square miles / 1.8 million acres. Deer and also elk are hunted there.
Treacodactyl

It's interesting to hear the differences, over here we can use rifles such as a 30-06 and in many places we're more densely populated. High seats are often used to ensure a safe backstop. We can also easily get hold of moderators (sound suppressors) which I gather can be hard in the US?
dpack

my ex fil(deer warden for 22000 acres) used a rifle shot to the neck with a powerful frangible round (it was an old but very posh gun and i have no idea of caliber etc)from on high which seems ideal for a variety of reasons ,especially in woodland where there are obstructions/cover at ground level and the potential to miss and overshoot into unseen places.
Slim

My part of the country very few use shotgun unless near town.

Bear season started about a month ago, archery season is about to start for moose and deer, rifle season starts for moose in a couple weeks and for deer in about a month and a half. After deer rifle season, muzzleloader season starts up (December) at the same time archery re-opens for deer.

The staggering of seasons is a big part of the reason that many hunters here do bow and muzzleloader in addition to rifle.
Bodger

It's interesting to hear the differences, over here we can use rifles such as a 30-06 and in many places we're more densely populated. High seats are often used to ensure a safe backstop. We can also easily get hold of moderators (sound suppressors) which I gather can be hard in the US?


Not just hard but illegal in the States.

Hunting is not just a passion in parts of America, its not only a way of life, its an industry too and that's why its extremely well policed.
Treacodactyl

It's interesting to hear the differences, over here we can use rifles such as a 30-06 and in many places we're more densely populated. High seats are often used to ensure a safe backstop. We can also easily get hold of moderators (sound suppressors) which I gather can be hard in the US?

Not just hard but illegal in the States.

Only in a few states, licenseable in others hence the question.
Bodger

I offered to get my friend in NYS a noise moderator and he declined the offer, because being found with one in his possession could have seen him in clink. dpack

strange that a .50 cal long gun or a glock can be had at the equivalent of a car boot sale with no paperwork but to make the first bunny fall over with no bang from a .197 or even an air powered weapon so as to get it's chums is illegal.

spose it is a bit like the no bow hunting in the uk,somebody thought silent was a threat to their stock(or perhaps would make life too easy for person shooters if the rest of the community had no idea there was gunplay in the neighborhood).
Falstaff

In the us - ferretting is illegal - even though it is efficient and generally the kindest way of despatching ground dwellers caught in nets.

Bow hunting _ sounds good but experience saw a hen pheasant fly for two fields transfixed on a crossbow bolt going in under one "armpit" and leaving under the other - dead eventually - undoubtedly - but I believe ther is something in the "Shock" of an explosive powered "Hot" bullet which kills far better than a cold "Arrow" or the like.
Slim

... I believe ther is something in the "Shock" of an explosive powered "Hot" bullet which kills far better than a cold "Arrow" or the like.

Do you mean beyond the literal shockwave that accompanies a bullet?
Jam Lady

And someone bow hunting elk in Montana just survived a mauling by a grizzly bear.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/10/04/grizzly-bear-mauling/73333344/

Not your typical UK type of situation.
Treacodactyl

Not your typical UK type of situation.

You wait for re-wilding to kick in. We've already got beavers in the wild, bears are only a matter of time.
dpack

if im ever after a bear i recon it will get an ied(other lethal devices are available) covered in honey rather than up close n personal Laughing

i suspect the pheasant had a target arrow(or toy crossbow bolt) in it(grrrr scumbags) rather than a 3 sided broadhead ,target arrow=pencil sized hole and no space to bleed .a modern 3 blade broadhead =3 cuts ,inch +tube shaped wound and lots of space to bleed(about the same wound track as a 9mm pistol round and a similar delivered energy)

ps i would not go after a bear with a pistol or bow
.497nitro up closeish or .50cal barrett from a decently long distance makes lots of sense for big dangeroos critters
Falstaff

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i suspect the pheasant had a target arrow(or toy crossbow bolt) in it(grrrr scumbags) rather than a 3 sided broadhead ,target arrow=pencil sized hole and no space to bleed .a modern 3 blade broadhead =3 cuts ,inch +tube shaped wound and lots of space to bleed(about the same wound track as a 9mm pistol round and a similar delivered energy)
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Well seeing as bowhunting is illegal in the uk - it wouldn't have been a Bear hunting triangular would it - but 9mm - getting there ! certainly far bigger than a 0.22 rimfire
dpack

one of my schoolteachers had a polar bear problem when he was watching far northern wolves in alaska in that after it scoffed his marsbar collection it wanted him for a main course iirc two to the chest from a 5.62 ar sorted the problem.he was quite upset at dropping the thing but it was it or him.

i prepped the skull for display (it needed a big pan)and after seeing the size of the teeth i never want to meet one

moral ,if there are bears tooled up just in case makes sense.
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