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Blue Sky

Downsizer Atlas

Just a quick thought. Should we have a downsizer Frappr account?

I think it was Dave and Andy (selfsufficientish) that did one on their site a while back and it looked rather useful.

Could we have one for Downsizer so that we can get an overview of where our fellow members are located? I've just spent ages looking for Pricey on the "Dorset/Hants border" wherever that may be to see if he is anywhere near Poole. If we were to have a member map - volluntary input of course, then at least it might make trading/swapping/bartering a tad easier for some of our traders and buyers alike.
Nick

I know I'd find it useful.
sean

I thought you'd got everyone's addresses loaded into your sat-nav by now.
Nick

Actually, only Rob's.
Blue Sky

Well I got one (but only me on it so far Crying or Very sad )

It is here

I think

Does this even work???
Penny Outskirts

That's good Very Happy
lettucewoman

Simon wrote:
Well I got one (but only me on it so far Crying or Very sad )

It is here

I think

Does this even work???


Yes - we are on it now! (meg an ted aka lettucewoman and tomatoman) Very Happy
pricey

nickhowe wrote:
Actually, only Rob's.


What Rob let's you use his sat nav, why's rob got all our addresses Laughing
pricey

I have just moved to the usa help!
pricey

just been living in NZ, then london then scotland, now back to the usa Shocked Confused
pricey

Oh well we have just moved to Portugal, seems to find that one.

It is New Milton that is confusing it, there are alot of them in usa.

So now you can all see where we will be when we Finally move.
Blue Sky

(sorry) Well I'll be blown .... it DOES work

Excellent

Now let's have some more location posters then Tahir can (somehow) fit it into the main front page Wink

By the way Pricey, If it keeps flicking you about the country or even around the world all you need to do is press the autoplay [stop] button. (I think)

Edited out expletives. Sorry I got rather excited. Embarassed
Chez

I've managed it, I think. No expletives required Smile.
madmonk

Oh b******s I think I've just moved France to Milton Keynes Embarassed
dougal

There's some very strange 'mapping' going on... I see that Gervase's 'wales' is between Sheffield and Worksop... and strangely that that there are "dragons" in mid-Wales Rolling Eyes which I had rather expected to be lighting up like a Clearasil advert by now...
madmonk

madmonk wrote:
Oh b******s I think I've just moved France to Milton Keynes Embarassed


Panic over France is now back in place Laughing
alisjs

tried to add me but how do you move the pin?
dougal

alisjs wrote:
tried to add me but how do you move the pin?

Well... I think that's a slightly random!
I zoomed well in, and clicked on my button and then the "Move this pin" coloured link... and then clicked on where I'd rather it was. I ended up fairly close after a lot of trying, but some of my clicks resulted in it being placed several miles away... I wonder what it would make of a postcode + UK in the location text box?
pricey

I still cant put in New milton, Hants, england.

But Pedrogao Grande goes in first time, so we have moved.

Great Idea by the way Simon, knowing where everyone is, is good ,they have a similar thing on expats Portugal.
Chez

It barfed on my postcode. It worked out where Welshpool was eventually though, after a few goes of trying to put me in Cardiff.
dougal

I tried it with my postcode and it moved me to Wallsend!
And I still can't get it within a mile - but its first effort at the town ends up several miles away... ho, hum...

I wonder about all the anonymous London entries and "AOL" just offshore from the Isle of Man? Shocked
Blue Sky

madmonk wrote:
Oh b******s I think I've just moved France to Milton Keynes Embarassed


I wish you blinking well had! The weather might be a bit better there. Wink
Blue Sky

dougal wrote:
alisjs wrote:
tried to add me but how do you move the pin?

Well... I think that's a slightly random!
I zoomed well in, and clicked on my button and then the "Move this pin" coloured link... and then clicked on where I'd rather it was. I ended up fairly close after a lot of trying, but some of my clicks resulted in it being placed several miles away... I wonder what it would make of a postcode + UK in the location text box?


Just click the "move this pin" text and enter your flippin' postcode in the location box.

Dougal, I am dissapointed with you Crying or Very sad
Blue Sky

Chez wrote:
It barfed on my postcode. It worked out where Welshpool was eventually though, after a few goes of trying to put me in Cardiff.


Oh, well it appears to work with french postal codes. Sorry Chez. Keep trying folks!
sean

It appears to hate me. Sad Maybe Mandy can have a go in a bit.
Blue Sky

sean wrote:
It appears to hate me. Sad Maybe Mandy can have a go in a bit.


Must be your Devonshire accent Smile
Jamanda

sean wrote:
It appears to hate me. Sad Maybe Mandy can have a go in a bit.


I've done it - but I couldn't get a photo on. It keeps getting to 90% then gettimg stuck.
Bernie66

It won't let me put an email address in, it gives me *'*' instead of the *@* I need, and then laughs and throws me out. Rolling Eyes
Penny Outskirts

It did that for me, then I used a smaller photo (one that was avatar sized) and it seemed to work - may of course have just been luck, but perhaps worth a try if you haven't?
Penny Outskirts

Bernie66 wrote:
It won't let me put an email address in, it gives me *'*' instead of the *@* I need, and then laughs and throws me out. Rolling Eyes


Use the number two key with the shift pressed down Wink
Bernie66

Penny wrote:
It did that for me, then I used a smaller photo (one that was avatar sized) and it seemed to work - may of course have just been luck, but perhaps worth a try if you haven't?

Wasn't putting photo in then, didn't get that far, haven't got a photo anyway Rolling Eyes
Bernie66

Penny wrote:
Bernie66 wrote:
It won't let me put an email address in, it gives me *'*' instead of the *@* I need, and then laughs and throws me out. Rolling Eyes


Use the number two key with the shift pressed down Wink

No good Penny. I am a halfwit tonight.
Blue Sky

Bernie66 wrote:
It won't let me put an email address in, it gives me *'*' instead of the *@* I need, and then laughs and throws me out. Rolling Eyes


I got that aswell Bernie Crying or Very sad I put it down to it picking up on my IP address and associating my ENGLISH keyboard with the french Mad

Try putting a " (that is the symbol above the 2) in place of the @ and you should be OK
Bernie66

Nah, I asked young Penny to have a go and she sorted it out in seconds.. young and gifted Wink
Blue Sky

Sorry Penny, I just realised you already tried to teach him that.

Beaten to the post again ...

Story of my life today Crying or Very sad
Penny Outskirts

Simon wrote:
Sorry Penny, I just realised you already tried to teach him that.

Beaten to the post again ...

Story of my life today Crying or Very sad


Don't worry pet - you're looking very tasty today, so a little slowness is totally forgiven Very Happy
JB

Simon wrote:
Bernie66 wrote:
It won't let me put an email address in, it gives me *'*' instead of the *@* I need, and then laughs and throws me out. Rolling Eyes


I got that aswell Bernie Crying or Very sad I put it down to it picking up on my IP address and associating my ENGLISH keyboard with the french


No I think it does that for everyone. Somehow it seems to have mapped everyones keyboard to a US (or French? ) layout
Jamanda

Still can't get the photo on. Never mind.
My keyboard has the " and @ the wrong way round anyway.
dougal

JB wrote:
Simon wrote:
Bernie66 wrote:
It won't let me put an email address in, it gives me *'*' instead of the *@* I need, and then laughs and throws me out. Rolling Eyes


I got that aswell Bernie Crying or Very sad I put it down to it picking up on my IP address and associating my ENGLISH keyboard with the french


No I think it does that for everyone. Somehow it seems to have mapped everyones keyboard to a US (or French? ) layout

Ahem. *No* not everyone.
That particular problem doesn't arise on the Mac.
My guess is that its some sort of quirk in the Windoze implementation of Java/Javascript that is being used to validate each keypress... Something like assuming all PC's have a US keyboard... Rolling Eyes

Jamanda wrote:
My keyboard has the " and @ the wrong way round anyway.
That sounds as though there is US/UK confusion between the actual keyboard and what the system has been told.
Have you perhaps a US keyboard (no sign) that you are telling the PC is a UK keyboard so that shift-3 gives you ??
sean

Nah, it's an old PC keyboard being used with a Mac.
dougal

sean wrote:
Nah, it's an old PC keyboard being used with a Mac.

OK, well it is a pity that British Windows uses a non (ISO) standard layout, while British Mac does use an ISO standard layout...

But I don't think its the end of the world.
http://www.gyford.com/phil/writing/2005/11/20/using_a_british.php
Like the man says, just don't use any of the odd punctuation characters in your login password. (Nice idea to just put the special layout in the individual *user's* library...)
You probably already know about the system preference for the order of the Command and Option keys from the Windows and Alt keys.
Gervase

sean wrote:
Nah, it's an old PC keyboard being used with a Mac.

Don't worry, you soon get used to it. It's what I use.
dougal

Gervase wrote:
sean wrote:
Nah, it's an old PC keyboard being used with a Mac.

Don't worry, you soon get used to it. It's what I use.


But you don't have to "get used to it".
If you want what you *are* used to (or you want the keycaps and their output to tie up - a reasonable expectation) you *can* have it!

If its the only physical keyboard attached (its simpler that way) and everyone agrees on using the same layout, put the windows layout (linked above) into the Keyboard Layouts folder inside the Library folder at the top level (in the window for your hard disk).

That makes it available (to all User accounts).
There are dozens of layouts installed by Apple, including 3 Afgan variants, a couple of Bulgerian ones, and all the way to one Welsh one ( Shocked really).
Selecting your Windows layout means a trip to the International preference panel and the tab for the Input Menu.
Simplest would be to then 'tick' British Windows and 'untick' British (and anything else, like US that might be ticked). And that'll do you.
For folk with different preferences sharing the computer its a little more complicated. But not much.
Cathryn

There's no room Shocked Don't think I have got a photo of me as it is usually me holding the camera. Will go and have a look.
Northern_Lad

dougal wrote:
Gervase wrote:
sean wrote:
Nah, it's an old PC keyboard being used with a Mac.

Don't worry, you soon get used to it. It's what I use.


But you don't have to "get used to it".


They do unless the get the tippex out on the keyboard. Changing the location will only change the translation of which key does what, not what the look like when you're hitting them.
Gervase

Northern_Lad wrote:

They do unless the get the tippex out on the keyboard. Changing the location will only change the translation of which key does what, not what the look like when you're hitting them.

Indeed. fortunately the keys on this keyboard are so covered with plaster, mastic, tea, small-boy-matter and gubbins that you can't see what half of them are meant to be. Ideal for touch-typists.
dougal

Northern_Lad wrote:
They do unless the get the tippex out on the keyboard. Changing the location will only change the translation of which key does what, not what the look like when you're hitting them.

Ummm. Have a re-read of the thread.

Gervase and Jamanda are using Windows keyboards with Macs.
On those keyboards Shift-2 is marked as " but delivers @ when you tell the Mac the fiction that it has a British-Mac keyboard attached.

My suggestion was that they tell the Mac the truth that a British-Windows keyboard was attached.
That will enable Shift-2 to deliver " exactly as marked on the key. And all the other keys to work exactly as marked.

The only problem arises when people choose a particular keyboard, perhaps because of its 'feel', but actually *want* to use a layout different to what is marked on the bit of hardware that they have chosen for other reasons.
In which case, rather than resorting to Tippex, I'd refer them to these people http://www.hooleon.com/

And even on a PC, don't do your on-screen corrections with Tippex... Very Happy
Jamanda

dougal wrote:
sean wrote:
Nah, it's an old PC keyboard being used with a Mac.

OK, well it is a pity that British Windows uses a non (ISO) standard layout, while British Mac does use an ISO standard layout...

But I don't think its the end of the world.
http://www.gyford.com/phil/writing/2005/11/20/using_a_british.php
Like the man says, just don't use any of the odd punctuation characters in your login password. (Nice idea to just put the special layout in the individual *user's* library...)
You probably already know about the system preference for the order of the Command and Option keys from the Windows and Alt keys.


Had a look at that link, but the screen I get for clicking "keyboard & mouse" in system preferences looks nothing like the one shown. I suppose it doesn't matter too much. I tend to have more of a problem not automatically reversing them when I'm on my school computer.
CodyT07

I'm the only one in my country...
dougal

Jamanda wrote:
Had a look at that link, but the screen I get for clicking "keyboard & mouse" in system preferences looks nothing like the one shown.

1/ Thats the wrong bit of that linked page. You need to be working with "International" preferences - 'cos you've got a 'furrin' keyboard.
2/ The screenshot is after clicking the "Modifier keys" button in the Keyboard panel in 10.4 - you weren't bothered about rearranging control/alt/windows...
3/ Rather than hijack the atlas thread, PM me if you are still bothered, or else (over the kitchen table) ask a mod to shift this discussion to its own thread - probably under IT. Very Happy
dougal

CodyT07 wrote:
I'm the only one in my country...

Shouldn't let that bother you.
I expect most of us feel that way from time to time! Very Happy
CodyT07

dougal wrote:
CodyT07 wrote:
I'm the only one in my country...

Shouldn't let that bother you.
I expect most of us feel that way from time to time! Very Happy

Actually I'm the only one on the other side of the world.
Gervase

dougal wrote:
My suggestion was that they tell the Mac the truth that a British-Windows keyboard was attached.
That will enable Shift-2 to deliver " exactly as marked on the key. And all the other keys to work exactly as marked.

It may remap my Mac, but it won't remap my brain - and as I have touch-typed for 20 years on a Mac keyboard, I'm far too old to have my fingers relearn the positions. Hence the fact that it doesn't really matter what's written on the keys - the same old garbage still fills the screen! Wink
dougal

Gervase wrote:
... as I have touch-typed for 20 years on a Mac keyboard, ...


Yes, as I said...
dougal wrote:
The only problem arises when people choose a particular keyboard, perhaps because of its 'feel', but actually *want* to use a layout different to what is marked on the bit of hardware that they have chosen for other reasons.
In which case, rather than resorting to Tippex, I'd refer them {but only if it was a bother for them} to these people http://www.hooleon.com/

If your keyboard really is covered in (lime) plaster, etc, one possible (cheap but excellent) replacement you might consider is one of the old Apple ADB "extended keyboards" plus a USB/ADB converter. Those were much less stylish than the current offerings, but much better for typists. Total eBay cost maybe 15. (Keyboard here is yours for the postage - I have a few.)

I do wish some mod would shift the keyboard hijack to another thread.



Gervase, why are you mapped as being somewhere near Sheffield rather than in Wales where "there be dragons"? Or in the absence of an asbestos shield, is that a safe distance?

Is it possible for anyone to 'mod' the map and tidy/remove the multiple un-named entries?
kaz

Did the map ever get up and going?
We are thinking of having one for our forum but it sounds scary Shocked
Jamanda

kaz wrote:
Did the map ever get up and going?
We are thinking of having one for our forum but it sounds scary Shocked


Yes. There's a link to it in Simon's first post on the first page of this thread.
Barefoot Andrew

Excellent idea. I'll add myself soon.. need sort out a digital pic of myself first that isn't too horrific Smile
A.
dougal

Jamanda wrote:
kaz wrote:
Did the map ever get up and going?
We are thinking of having one for our forum but it sounds scary Shocked


Yes. There's a link to it in Simon's first post on the first page of this thread.

But last time I looked, it needed an awful lot of editing...
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