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Mustang

EU to ban neonicotinoid pesticides despite no majority vote

The EU today failed to get a majority vote for banning neonicotinoid pesticides. The UK voted against it.

However, the EU have decided to go ahead anyway, and restrict the use of neonicotinoid pesticides from 1st December on crops that attract bees and other pollinators.

It also prohibits the sale/use of seeds coated with neonicotinoid pesticides. And there will be a ban on the sale of neonicotinoid pesticides to amateurs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22335520
Hairyloon

Re: EU to ban neonicotinoid pesticides despite no majority v

The UK voted against it.

Which idiot made that decision?
Mustang

Re: EU to ban neonicotinoid pesticides despite no majority v

The UK voted against it.

Which idiot made that decision?

Link

Britainís Environment Secretary, Owen Paterson, has been criticised for failing to support a ban on three types of neonicotinoid pesticides which have been linked to a dramatic decline in the bee population.

Mr Paterson, who is backed by the Governmentís new chief scientific adviser, the National Farmersí Union, as well as some beekeepers, insists that there is insufficient evidence to support the two-year moratorium.

A spokeswoman for the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs said: ďAs the proposal currently stands we could not support an outright ban.
Mithril

Fantastic news, isn't it. (I posted a thread yesterday but I think the title may have been too cryptic Laughing ) Hairyloon

Re: EU to ban neonicotinoid pesticides despite no majority v

The UK voted against it.
Which idiot made that decision?

Link
A spokeswoman for the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs said: As the proposal currently stands we could not support an outright ban.
That article says we abstained. Why is everyone saying we voted against it?
Nick

This is the Internet. Facts are irrelevant (such as your use of the word 'everyone'). Wink Tavascarow

It's excellent news & I'm not surprised the UK where against it.
Recent UK governments have always pandered to big business rather than listening to sound evidence.
DDT wasn't banned for use in the UK till the very early 1980s AFAIA.
Long after the rest of Europe & even after the USA!
So nothing new.
Rob R

The question now becomes, what will they replace them with, back to OP's? NorthernMonkeyGirl

What do neonics target? Is there a GM crop "suitable"? If there isn't, I bet that's where the research will go. Rob R

Re: EU to ban neonicotinoid pesticides despite no majority v

The UK voted against it.
Which idiot made that decision?

Link
A spokeswoman for the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs said: As the proposal currently stands we could not support an outright ban.
That article says we abstained. Why is everyone saying we voted against it?

Because the article got it wrong.
Rob R

What do neonics target? Is there a GM crop "suitable"? If there isn't, I bet that's where the research will go.

The banned chemicals are quite general seed treatments, so without them we might see reduced yields or increased spraying. The main loser will be Oil Seed Rape, although maize & sugar beet also use them, but it depends how they define 'attractive to bees', as the ban only affects those plants which are [attractive].
NorthernMonkeyGirl

Thanks.

I would guess anything harvested before flowering would not be "attractive" so beets/roots in general? And wind pollinated crops of course... But then, what is the mechanism of the neonic toxicity? Would neonic-affected maize pollen drift on the breeze and still cause trouble I wonder?
ninat

They are also in some dog flea treatments. Hairyloon

Re: EU to ban neonicotinoid pesticides despite no majority v

That article says we abstained. Why is everyone saying we voted against it?

Because the article got it wrong.
Can we get a confirmation on the facts? Did we vote against, or did we abstain?
I want to know if I need to find someone to have a froth at.
john of wessex

My MP is David Heath.

It seems he wasnt a happy bunny when interviewed on TV

Laughing Laughing Laughing
Rob R

Re: EU to ban neonicotinoid pesticides despite no majority v

That article says we abstained. Why is everyone saying we voted against it?

Because the article got it wrong.
Can we get a confirmation on the facts? Did we vote against, or did we abstain?
I want to know if I need to find someone to have a froth at.

Yes, we voted 'no' to a ban this time. We have previously abstained from past votes on the subject.
Jamanda

"we"? Rob R

The United Kingdom. Tavascarow

Thanks.

I would guess anything harvested before flowering would not be "attractive" so beets/roots in general? And wind pollinated crops of course... But then, what is the mechanism of the neonic toxicity? Would neonic-affected maize pollen drift on the breeze and still cause trouble I wonder?
Bees will take pollen from wind pollinated plants like maize.
Mistress Rose

Rob, do you know exactly what pests neonicitonoids are supposed to prevent? Those who don't want them banned say it will mean more spraying and lower yields, while those for the ban say that changing the way things are grown will compensate. Rob R

Rob, do you know exactly what pests neonicitonoids are supposed to prevent? Those who don't want them banned say it will mean more spraying and lower yields, while those for the ban say that changing the way things are grown will compensate.

No, I'm not that interested in annual crops, and even less in pesticides. However if it were that easy to avoid the negative effects of pests without the pesticides I would have thought they'd be doing it already and saving on the cost of seed treatments. I suspect the truth is somewhere down the middle, yields will go down, and spraying will rise, but not to the degree that opponents of the ban suggest. It will inevitably cause food prices to rise more than they would otherwise.
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