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Woodburner

fox and gun

Sorry, not the pub . . .

I won't go into the gory details, but its bad enough for me to abort my first proper holiday since the fibre frenzy . . . I was over three hours drive away, four hours ago.
It isn't deterred by the multiple electric wires, so it's got to go. Should be easy to catch or possibly just shoot from the bedroom, it's that fearless! But I haven't got a gun . . .
Ages ago someone relatively local offered to assist with such a problem but it really was ages ago, and I can't even remember which forums the person used. I've checked private messages ttboma on all the ones I can remember using to no avail.
Pilsbury

Ask tahir, he has a shooter on his land but i dont know if its just air rifle, he is close enough to you thst his gun might be able to help.
dpack

sorry to hear this ,a decent trap can be bought or made .

shooting can be effective and very effective at the scene of a recent "crime"as they will return for the rest/ones they could not carry.

either way once it is gone you will need to be ready for the next one as they dont leave "resources" unclaimed for long.
Woodburner

The leccy fence works against our local foxes, and to my knowledge against at least one (also very fearless) passer through. This is another though, and is damned near tame, and is desperate enogh not to care about a zap or two! It's got to go! Permanently!
I actually saw it myslef this morning while I was making the trap. It's nearly finished, now.
I'll pm Tahir thanks Smile
Lloyd

Speaking as a shooter, I'd say that in this instance detterrence is better as if you kill it, another will immediately move in to fill the vaccuum created.

If you can, high fences with brickwork several feet below.
Roof coverring
Big zaps
Strong male human scent around ( piss?)
Chooks secured after dusk and before dawn
Maybe some alarm mines if the area permits.
An Alpaca to guard them.
Woodburner

I've not had any problems for 6 years, since I set up the electric fencing, and I've never had a problem with the resident foxes, even before I got the leccy fence.
I never see the local ones; somehow, they're not that brazen, despite a neighbour feeding them.
A couple of months ago I actually saw another fearless fox, broad daylight, 8 or 9 in the morning, in the next door garden, not really bothered by my yelling at it, but trotted off anyway. It didn't cause any trouble though, and I've not seen it again, so presumeably it was deterrred by the leccy. It was distinctively marked, so easily identifiable, and not one of 'the neighbour's foxes'.
I don't mind passers by, as long as they don't stop for lunch . . .
This one seems not to care about getting zapped and has actually been along a gap of about 18-20 inches with the leccy fence in the middle . . .

eta once it's gone I will be contacting the RSPCA to make sure they don't try relocating (any more) foxes to this area.
dpack

ar15 +nightsight

cage trap ,a choice of suitable firearms.

the relocation thing is legal but daft.

ps im an ex horsey /dogs fox hunt sab as i think that is cruel,ineffective and nowt to do with vermin control.especially as i can think of several "hunts"that collected foxes from elsewhere to have a victim to chase on a given day .

apparently they are not vermin(unlike grey squizzers which are popular pets in our local park) so the options are kill ,exclude,or post the poor thing to a strange land and make it somebody else's problem.
dpack

foxy kit ?
Woodburner

ar15 +nightsight

cage trap ,a choice of suitable firearms.

the relocation thing is legal but daft.

ps im an ex horsey /dogs fox hunt sab as i think that is cruel,ineffective and nowt to do with vermin control.especially as i can think of several "hunts"that collected foxes from elsewhere to have a victim to chase on a given day .

apparently they are not vermin(unlike grey squizzers which are popular pets in our local park) so the options are kill ,exclude,or post the poor thing to a strange land and make it somebody else's problem.


So very true.
I find it ironic, and somewhat amusing, that before the ban we used to hear foxes all the time, but now a fox bark is a rare sound.
eta forgot to say the reason being that the farmers used to leave foxes 'for the hunt', now they just shoot them.

I'm not pro fox hunt, but I find it hard to raise much sympathy for a fox that gets caught by the hounds, after all, it dies the same way that it kills . . .
Woodburner

Holy carp! this thing is fearless!
Inside the leccy fence, I got that close to it, two steps more and I could have grabbed it!!! I realised I couldn't or it would bite me so I looked around for a suitable club. As I broke it down to size the fox started moving, and trotted off through the (now open) gate and the neighbour's gardens. Mad Mad Mad

So, I think I need to put the dead chickens out one by one to keep it interested, til the nice man with a gun can get here. Confused (the chooks are safe but cramped)
Treacodactyl

It does sound like it's been semi-domesticated, either by being fed or living very close to people.

You could ask at your local gun club but it would be quickest to hire a local pest controller unless you know someone.
dpack

bait the trap ,traps dont sleep .

if it is that comfortable with humans etc etc .

get a sniper to help

give it the respect of a kind death asap, that one needs to go.
Woodburner

Trap is baited but it's not interested. No scratch marks in ground outside the trap - not trying to get to the bait.

I think it's been hand raised. Our local foxes are fed by a neighbour, but they still stay out of sight.

It's definitely got to 'go', but it's really rather sad, someone has spent a lot of time with this creature to make it so tame, and I know from my experience with the Harris hawk, how awesome a feeling it is to tame a wild creature, but they are predators and must be kept responsibly, not let loose again. (In fact, I could have got the owner of the hawk into a fair bit of trouble if I had been so inclined.)
Even when I kill a chicken it makes me sad because it's so trusting, and they're easy to tame. It's useful for chickens (and hawks) to be tame though, but what on Earth use is a tame fox? Neutral
Woodburner

Well there's been no sign of it since I walked up to it inside the leccy fence. No interest in bait or dead chicken inside the leccy, or a mysteriouly dead baby rabbit just outside it, no pheasant alarm calls the last couple of days either.
I'll keep the chooks penned up for a few days/a week more, while I put a second electric fence around the silkies area, before I let them out properly again.
I'd rather have seen it dead, so much less faff and worry, plus the chooks could get their freedom back straight away. Neutral
dpack

perhaps it had many enemies Wink

perhaps it had friends with an escape line Rolling Eyes

it might just be clever like my latest rat Mad
Woodburner

Laughing
I have lots of theories, my favourite is that it walked up to a farmer with a gun. Twisted Evil
Woodburner

Turns out it was just waiting for me to go away for the day . . .

It didn't get anything but it was close, and the red silkie cockerel has teeth marks and a nasty subcutaneous bleed on his neck.
The worst thing is, I'm not sure this is the same one, it's lighter, and has a bit bigger white tip to it's tail. If it is a different one, that makes three tame foxes this year . . . I hadn't seen any for 5 or 6 years.
Maybe I should phone the rspca Mad
tahir

Did Jim pop over?

Ibthink people feeding foxes and badgers is quite an issue really.
Lorrainelovesplants

I feel your pain. 10 days ago we had our first predator in 10 years. Took 2 Light Sussex and a Buff orp - big girls. method - pull through fence (sheep fencing - bottom space).
Now we didnt see anything and there wasnt a huge commotion, and we could see the feathers, so assumed mink or polecat as if it were a fiox wouldnt it just jump the 4 ft fence with the bird in its mouth?

So fox watch (with gun) for a week - nothing. Even had wildlife cams up - nothing.
So - happened again 3 days ago - big LS cockerel. This time I heard a bit of commotion. This was 8.30 3 nights back. ran to the field - cock half pulled through bottom space of sheep fence again, head and neck totally ripped off. You could see right into the cavity.
Still we havnt seen anything, but it MUst be a fox surely to take something this big and strong.
Woodburner

Did Jim pop over?

Ibthink people feeding foxes and badgers is quite an issue really.
No, not yet. I had said not to bother, when the last one stopped coming, but, as there's more of them, he might as well come and see what the chances are that he can help when the next one comes.

The more I think about it the more I'm sure this is a new one. Mad I reckon I've just been lucky for the last few years, and that it's nothing to do with the leccy fence that I've not 'lost' any chickens since I set it up.

I don't think it's feeding per se that's the problem. A neighbour regularly puts food out for them, but makes no attempt to tame them. I'm pretty sure she doesn't even go outside to watch them, but just watches them from her dining room window. I'm 99% sure it's not 'her' foxes that are the problem. If they were, then I'd've been having constant problems, or at least regularly at cubbing time, right from the start of keeping chickens. I reckon it's townies trying to get the 'cute little b. . . easts' to come closer.
I'm wondering about getting the press to run a story on what happens to tamed urban foxes . . . just need to get a dead one first Twisted Evil

In the meantime, any suggestions on making 1/4 acre fox proof without breaking the bank? (That includes 6ft fences Sad ) Hawthorn looks like it will eventually be effective, but it's taken several years so far and looks like it needs another year to be thick enough to lay. I'm wondering about rosa rugosa, gooseberry, or properly trained brambles?

eta or hints and tips on making traps
Woodburner

I feel your pain. 10 days ago we had our first predator in 10 years. Took 2 Light Sussex and a Buff orp - big girls. method - pull through fence (sheep fencing - bottom space).
Now we didnt see anything and there wasnt a huge commotion, and we could see the feathers, so assumed mink or polecat as if it were a fiox wouldnt it just jump the 4 ft fence with the bird in its mouth?

So fox watch (with gun) for a week - nothing. Even had wildlife cams up - nothing.
So - happened again 3 days ago - big LS cockerel. This time I heard a bit of commotion. This was 8.30 3 nights back. ran to the field - cock half pulled through bottom space of sheep fence again, head and neck totally ripped off. You could see right into the cavity.
Still we havnt seen anything, but it MUst be a fox surely to take something this big and strong.

Badger?
dpack

as foxey is quite happy in sharp and spiney plants but dislikes open places a fence and low (or no) vegetation might be a cunning plan for a perimeter

low (kept between 20 to 50cm by clipping) but dense and tangled gorse in a broad strip is quite a barrier but it does need clipping quite a couple of times a year and how wide (ie effective) depends on the reach of the tools you have.
Woodburner

as foxey is quite happy in sharp and spiney plants but dislikes open places a fence and low (or no) vegetation might be a cunning plan for a perimeter

low (kept between 20 to 50cm by clipping) but dense and tangled gorse in a broad strip is quite a barrier but it does need clipping quite a couple of times a year and how wide (ie effective) depends on the reach of the tools you have.
These beasts are fearless. Perhaps a truly wide open space might give them agoraphobia, but even though the neighbouring gardens are predominantly mown grass, and only have skimpy wire fences, the general effect of the surrounding area is that of open woodland.

I think density and viciousness of the prickles is the key thing. They may be happy to make a lair underneath the shelter of a bramble thicket, but pushing through a netted mass would hopefully be a different matter. We spend quite a lot of time keeping the electric maintained/clear, so hedge maintenance would not be so different. Keeping brambles properly makes picking easier too. Very Happy The biggest problem will be accessing 'the other side' for good maintenence, without significantly reducing the area for the chooks, but then again, it's got to be better than keeping them in runs.

I'm wondering if clearing away a lot of the neighbours overgrown brambles, (so I could access the ditch and remains of overgrown hedge that is our responsibility) is giving too easy access . . . I think I'll move the remaining pile of cut stuff back to where it was cut from, and simply keep the (now vigourously regrowing) brambles from recolonising the ditch. I'll plant the long side with RR and gooseberries and the house end with brambles.

Man with a gun is here now, and agrees about where they're getting in and where they're coming from. Is there a 'kicking itself smiley' anywhere? Embarassed
tahir

Muntjac are becoming much more tame round here Mutton

I feel your pain. 10 days ago we had our first predator in 10 years. Took 2 Light Sussex and a Buff orp - big girls. method - pull through fence (sheep fencing - bottom space).
Now we didnt see anything and there wasnt a huge commotion, and we could see the feathers, so assumed mink or polecat as if it were a fiox wouldnt it just jump the 4 ft fence with the bird in its mouth?

So fox watch (with gun) for a week - nothing. Even had wildlife cams up - nothing.
So - happened again 3 days ago - big LS cockerel. This time I heard a bit of commotion. This was 8.30 3 nights back. ran to the field - cock half pulled through bottom space of sheep fence again, head and neck totally ripped off. You could see right into the cavity.
Still we havnt seen anything, but it MUst be a fox surely to take something this big and strong.

We had that happen earlier in the year. I was told stoat. That they are incredibly strong for their size. Bird pulled to stocknetting, jammed in headfirst, then head chewed off. Our chicken are a bit smaller than light sussex though.

In terms of jumping fences with bird in its mouth, not necessarily. We had fox trouble some years back (definitely fox, we saw it) and on the first pass it pushed under the stocknetting with the duck in its mouth. We did a load of stone filling in of dips and made the bottom of the fence good. The fox came back a week later, killed a second duck, but dropped it at the fence where it could no longer go through.

Make really, really sure that something the size of a stoat can't get in your hen house. Ours are in an outbuilding and we had the head chewed off one in the nest box, in the night a while back. We then made really, really sure there was nothing anything could climb leaning against the walls inside or out and it hasn't happened again.
Lorrainelovesplants

Never had anything try and get in the houses, and the ventilation is covered with weldmesh not chickenwire. Its the first time in 10 years we have lost anything apart from neighbours dogs(made for great neighbour relations that did!) and a badger ripping off the back of an ark in the front garden to get at growers.

We have had live traps out for 10 days now and nothing. baited with eggs and a bit of chicken - not a sniff.......
misty07

My ferrets got out few months back and killed the only two of the laying flock a bluebelle and Lf light Sussex it was only my hob and killed the bird's with ease I nearly shot him there and then but he is soooo good and tame my 3yr old daughter can handle him well. So he had luck on his side got a fox atm haunting the area got tin road signs around the garden hidden so just use the air rifle to make a bang from the bedroom window.
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