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Blue Sky

France is the best place in the world to live!

[so long as you don't mind a bit of snow etc.]

France is the best place in the world to live!
(Newsletter: UK customers - Hot off the press!)

In a recent survey by International Living, France has been voted the best place to live for the second year running. Out of 193 countries France topped the list in terms of, among others, cost of living, culture and leisure, environment, health and climate.

However, it's not just facts and figures that add up when people decide to move to France; France has so much to offer in terms of lifestyle, property and diversity of landscape. As illustrated in our recent market report: "Now, anyone can move to France in the certainty that they are investing in a way of life as well as a property."


Click here
to see the full results of the survey on the International Living website.
Mary-Jane

Both my older brothers and their families would agree...
Northern_Lad

Re: France is the best place in the world to live!

Simon wrote:
...France topped the list in terms of, among others, cost of living,

...'cause the Euro's cheep at the moment

Simon wrote:
culture

...mouldy cheese is not substitute for manners!

Simon wrote:
and leisure,

...striking is not a leasure activity to the rest of the world.

Simon wrote:
environment,

...huge areas of land set aside for mono-culture.

Simon wrote:
health

...well, a country of hyper-condriacts would need a good health service. Anyone fancy an enama?

Simon wrote:
and climate.

...dry roasted in the summer and snowed in in the winter.
Blue Sky

Laughing

So when you thinking of coming over NL?
Northern_Lad

Simon wrote:
Laughing

So when you thinking of coming over NL?


No idea. To be honest, I have to blame blantent dislike of the French on the media, and a highly carp ending to a holiday in Paris (nothing 'gay' about the place if you ask me) 14 years ago. 11 years ago I discovered Italy (yep, 'twas me with nothing but a good pair of boots and a compass!) and haven't had the slightest inclination to go back. IMHO, Italy beats France for food, wine, culture and climate.
joanne

Re: France is the best place in the world to live!

Simon wrote:

France is the best place in the world to live!


As long as you don't marry an alcoholic abusive Frenchman and then leave him to come back to England with your daughter !!!!! - the consequences of which a friend of mine is currently going through

Diary of being obliged to fight to keep your own child

Sorry to put a bit of a downer on the thread but its important people realise that there are downsides to living in a foreign country
boisdevie1

France CAN be a great place to live. But, and it's a big but, the economy is down the toilet and trying to find a job in some parts of the country can be an exercise in despair. And then wages are very very low so whilst stuff can be cheaper I'm not sure how it all stacks up in the end compared to the UK.

Many people go there in some stupid hope that somehow it'll be easier than the UK. It's probably harder as you've got to get to grips with differences in language, culture, etc. I love France but I'm having to work in the UK because I can't find a job there - which saddens me greatly.
tigger

[quote="Northern_Lad"]
Simon wrote:
Laughing

IMHO, Italy beats France for food, wine, culture and climate.


you coming here instead then?
Blue Sky

Yep, we've been here over three years and still no offer of work. There is (at last) a faint glimmer of hope on the horizon come April.

We love it here, despite the cold and we are fortunate that we are in a situation where we can live on a bare minimum of expenditure by raising livestock and growing most things. We do still have expenditure however, and quite a bit since our two eldest started school last September. I'm hinging alot on April.

The food is good (but they can't comprehend vegetarianism which is what sadens me alot). The culture is wierd but interesting. The climate is extreme (at least where we are) and as for the economy we don't get involved with that much. We prefer to swap man-hours for man-hours where we can, amongst other bartering.

I too prefer Italy with regards to food, people and climate.

I didn't write the review at the head of this thread - it was quoted from a newsletter. Sorry, should've made that clear. I don't rate France any better than England except that it is more spread out and has given us a chance to do what we have wanted to do for a long time. I also love the challenge of learning a new language. France would not be top of my list, I think Italy would but not having lived there (yet) it is impossible to say.

I just though some folk might be interested in the survey. Smile
Blue Sky

[quote="tigger"]
Northern_Lad wrote:
Simon wrote:
Laughing

IMHO, Italy beats France for food, wine, culture and climate.


you coming here instead then?


Is that an INVITE??? Shocked


Howdya' manage to jumble your post up into something that is clairvoyant of that which I was typing in parallel at the time???

I didn't write that or at least not until after you had Question
tigger

Web telepathy Laughing
comes included in the broadband package!

I am excellent at jumbling anything to do with computers. I don't even have to try, it's a natural talent Sad

All invites on hold at the moment as we're trying to sell the house.
an hour ago someone knocked at the door saying could he show his dad and friend around! We'd just finished dinner and the remains were on the table. my littlest was getting ready for bed, 12 yr old daughter was just getting out of the shower, 17 year old getting ready for a bath, I was on the phone to a colleague and OH was on the settee ill in pain as he's not well at all and I'd just given him an injection!
pooh

Are you sure that was an injection, Tiggs?? pottytrain2
I've heard how you lot administer your medicines Wink
Northern_Lad

pooh wrote:
Are you sure that was an injection, Tiggs?? pottytrain2
I've heard how you lot administer your medicines Wink


Nah, you're thinking of the frogs: emema lovers of the world!
Tay

I haven't heard that before. Suppositories, apparently were the done thing, but I didn't know that enemas were de rigeur here.
Northern_Lad

Tay wrote:
I haven't heard that before. Suppositories, apparently were the done thing, but I didn't know that enemas were de rigeur here.


Sorry, you got it right. Both involve putting things in places where stuff's supposed to come out though.
Tay

Very true, and apparently the most effective way to administer drugs, intravenous aside. I'd prefer not to try it though. Awful the idea of an enema is, they can save a lot of embarassment.
MarkS

Tay wrote:
Awful the idea of an enema is, they can save a lot of embarassment.


Shocked
mind boggles

Shocked
Tay

I should have added, if you are female...

Apparently, when women give birth, it is fairly normal for them to 'make a mess' IYSWIM. To avoid this, often enemas are given prior to the birth. My SIL had heard horror stories about what happens, but was so keen to get the baby out as it was well overdue, her and her hubby went got a take away curry to kick start things. As she usually has a korma (wuss), she decided that this wouldn't be enough, so went for a 'hot' bhoona. The curry did the trick, and a couple of hours later, she went to hospital. She regretted the curry later...
mochyn

Anyone else feel this may be a lttle more information than is abxolutely necessary? Surprised
Blue Sky

confused2 Yep, especially us faint-hearted "blokes" Neutral
Tay

Shocked Sorry.

I thought I'd add it as I had no idea that accidents frequently happen during childbirth, and therefore you should ask for an enema beforehand, and under no circumstances have an Indian meal (which I'd heard was a popular way to help encourage the baby out). I'm sure I'm not the only one on here yet to have kids, so thought that it might be useful for others to know about.

I'll zap my post if you'd prefer - just tell me.
Penny Outskirts

I just thought I'd catch up on living in France - nope, enemas and "accidents" in childbirth - only on Downsizer Laughing Laughing Laughing

(I thought giving birth felt like having the biggest poo of your life to be honest!)
moules and frites

I cannot wait until my French property is finished and we can sell up and move over . I went working on my property last week and it is really hard to come back to the UK. By the way Britain came 37th in the same poll which says it all .

Properties with acres of land from 25K , low crime, better weather, superb schooling and health services , better (and cheaper) standard of living , easy to get back to UK for other family etc .

I could buy a farmhouse with five acres of land in Brittany or a beachhut at Bournemouth for the same money ....

Property tax in Brittany 140 per year ... ( includes tv license)
Council tax in Poole Dorset 2000 per year ...

Burglar gets caught in Poole, takes 200 other offences into consideration and gets community service.
Burglar gets caught in France minimum sentence two years.

I cannot think of one thing that Brittain is better than France for/at ..............I was going to suggest cricket .......LOL

I am English , my wife is Hungarian and I have family living in Germany but sorry France is best ...........

Ooh La La !
Northern_Lad

moules and frites wrote:
I cannot think of one thing that Brittain is better than France for/at ..............I was going to suggest cricket .......LOL


Most top designers in most fields are British. Note that that symbol of French engineering, the bridge over the Massife Central is designed by a Brit.

Hell, they wanted to join us back in the fifties.

One of the reason services are so plentiful and cheep in France is that it does not play fair when it comes to nationalisation and protectionism.
Blue Sky

Don't listen to him M&F

He's just a rusty old tin-can from up North Laughing

(and we can say whatever we want 'cos he probably won't be back online 'til Monday) Wink
Blue Sky

Shit, I forgot! We're on french time here and he is still at work (online)

Run for the hills .......

Cool
moules and frites

Having thought about it British music is far better than French , a week of Breton radio was quite hard going .

Have to get the sky dish fitted asap for the digital radio.
Blue Sky

Classic FM comes through on broadband really well, If you like that sort of thing
boisdevie1

British music better than French? Any culture has it's fair share of carp music but France has some pretty good talent - Axel Red, Patrick Bruel, Florent Pagny, Goldman, Renaud - I could go on. I think if I listened to Radio 1 for any amount of time I'd suspect that British music was not that good.
Blue Sky

Wot's Radio one then?

Patrick Bruel .... chanteur exceptionnel!
Blue Sky

Bye the way M&F

Love the avatar. petite demande ...

Could you mirror the image please? It is annoying me Wink
Tay

Arghhh. French radio. Sad Dreadful. I agree with Simon - Classic fm, or BBC Asian channel for that authentic curry house feeling. My musical tastes are the opposite ends of the extreme; classical or metal/rock/punk/alternative - neither are catered for well here. If you don't mind 'pop' music here, you're ok.
Windymiller

I did briiefly consider moving to France when I was told that you can buy a 2,500M2 building plot for less cash than a 300M2 plot in the UK. Ah well, keep on looking.
dougal

Simon wrote:
Classic FM comes through on broadband really well, If you like that sort of thing


Might be useful to mention this type of product
http://www.altatechnology.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=873

It plugs into USB and sends *any* computer audio to one or more FM radios around the house (tuned into the right frequency).
So *broadband* radio can be listened to away from the computer... Very Happy
Blue Sky

Too many gadgets Dougal.
dougal

Simon wrote:
Too many gadgets Dougal.

Better than "too much info" Very Happy
Blue Sky

Hmmmmm! Confused
wellington womble

dougal wrote:
Simon wrote:
Classic FM comes through on broadband really well, If you like that sort of thing


Might be useful to mention this type of product
http://www.altatechnology.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=873

It plugs into USB and sends *any* computer audio to one or more FM radios around the house (tuned into the right frequency).
So *broadband* radio can be listened to away from the computer... Very Happy


Dougal, do I need to know anything about computers to do this (please bear in mind I can't get my iPod to talk to my computer, when answering this!) And does it work with listen again?
dougal

wellington womble wrote:
... do I need to know anything about computers to do this (please bear in mind I can't get my iPod to talk to my computer, when answering this!) And does it work with listen again?

Such a thing should work with any/all sound output. So, yes, good for 'listen again' in another room from the computer.

BUT, that one plugs in to usb, (- only! so its easy, convenient, one cable), but it means that you have to install software (not least to tune the transmitter to a frequency that is vacant).

There are lots of other such devices - some plug into a headphone socket and have a display and buttons (rather than software) for tuning the thing. But then they need a power lead and/or batteries...
like this http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000F37GOU/3000054-21/

Be aware that such things are not true hi-fi quality - but are generally at least as good as most portable radios. And the range of the transmitter will depend on what is in the way - so it might not work at the far end of the house...
... and I find that, at home, I prefer to listen to my iPod by radio (an iTrip) rather than through earphones.

Dunno what your iPod problem might be, that one should be really straightforward... Cool

Anyway, I mentioned it because radio (and nowadays internet radio) can be really important to expats.
Even now, I still enjoy listening to the BBC World Service...
Rob R

Everyone I know who has gone to France start off by telling you "It's wonderful here..." and then procede to list all the bad points of living in France, finishing up by saying "...so you see how wonderful it is?"

Err... Rolling Eyes Forgive me if I'm happy where I am Cool
Rob R

But at least they are actually living there- the people that are annoying are those who live here & try telling you how much better you would be living somewhere else- if that's the case just go! and leave me in peace Cool
Jamanda

Rob R wrote:
But at least they are actually living there- the people that are annoying are those who live here & try telling you how much better you would be living somewhere else- if that's the case just go! and leave me in peace Cool


Ditto, I get driven mad by winging about how the country has gone to the dogs. This place is better, that place is better. Even more so when people whine about the town I have chosen to live in. If they don't like it they should find somewhere else better suited. I think it's pretty good all in all.
Went

Same with 'incomers' - we moved to Spain in a rural area and accept that life in the country comes with all that farming and smallholding has to offer - sometimes mud on road, manure, muck spreading, animals - what really irritates are those who come and buy holiday homes and complain about everything - if you want it sanitised - stick with your lot and stop moaning..... Mad


and Simon - France might be the best place to live but Northern Spain is even better..... Laughing
Blue Sky

Rob R wrote:
Everyone I know who has gone to France start off by telling you "It's wonderful here..." and then procede to list all the bad points of living in France, finishing up by saying "...so you see how wonderful it is?"

Err... Rolling Eyes Forgive me if I'm happy where I am Cool


If you have ever read "Sixty million Frenchmen can't be wrong" Rob then you will realise how uncanny your statement here is. That is the French summed up and so I suppose that is how your friends that have moved to France sum the place up and report back.

If youz happy where you are then good for you. I am happy here too at present.
woodsprite

Quote:
Same with 'incomers' - we moved to Spain in a rural area and accept that life in the country comes with all that farming and smallholding has to offer - sometimes mud on road, manure, muck spreading, animals - what really irritates are those who come and buy holiday homes and complain about everything - if you want it sanitised - stick with your lot and stop moaning.....

Ditto for rural England. I'm afraid I got quite heated at a dinner party last week. A new couple have moved up from Surrey and I listened to her complaining about the neighbours cockerel, no Waitrose, not being able to move a few yards in the market without having to "negociate around people chatting away as though they have all the time in the world". I bit my tongue for a long time and eventually suggested, very politely, that she might not be suited to rural life! Mad
I like France,
I love Northern Spain,
I ADORE South Shropshire. Very Happy
Rob R

Do they have Highland cattle in France?
Tay

None around here; just Limousin and Charolais with the occasional Friesian. However, I will admit that I am not an expert cowspotter...
Jamanda

Tay wrote:
None around here; just Limousin and Charolais with the occasional Friesian. However, I will admit that I am not an expert cowspotter...


I wonder if you are anywhere near the "lost camp site". Many years ago Sean & I stayed for a few days at a campsite in the middle of France. We really liked it, but have no recollection of where it was or the name of the nearby town. We were the only people on it except for one old French couple in a caravan and lots of glow worms. And lots of field mice. There was an area nearby with lots of little drainage canals called green Venice or something similar. Ring any bells?
Blue Sky

http://www.la-venise-verte.com/english.htm
Jamanda

Simon wrote:
http://www.la-venise-verte.com/english.htm


Thanks Simon - I'll scrutinize that with a map later.
NannyP

Well I'm pleased I came.
It meant I could give up work at 51 and become a kept woman, which I quite like now I've got all that feminist stuff out of my system.
It's still less than a year, so I mustn't count my chickens, but both Mark and I are happy with our own company, and enjoy playing rather than working.

Tay, I love your Avi.......just a little too gory to pinch it though Very Happy
Tay

Hi Kathy, great to see you on here. Very Happy Perhaps I should change my TF avatar to this one? Might shake things up a little... Wink Laughing
NannyP

Oh yes, I would.....I'll stand back and hide behind the sofa Wink
I've just emailed you, hope all is well?
Very Happy
Tay

Surviving so far... Life is somewhat turbulent at the moment. Rolling Eyes Just got your email - shall reply shortly. Cool
dpack

moules and frites wrote:
I cannot wait until my French property is finished and we can sell up and move over . I went working on my property last week and it is really hard to come back to the UK. By the way Britain came 37th in the same poll which says it all .

Properties with acres of land from 25K , low crime, better weather, superb schooling and health services , better (and cheaper) standard of living , easy to get back to UK for other family etc .

I could buy a farmhouse with five acres of land in Brittany or a beachhut at Bournemouth for the same money ....

Property tax in Brittany 140 per year ... ( includes tv license)
Council tax in Poole Dorset 2000 per year ...

Burglar gets caught in Poole, takes 200 other offences into consideration and gets community service.
Burglar gets caught in France minimum sentence two years.

I cannot think of one thing that Brittain is better than France for/at ..............I was going to suggest cricket .......LOL

I am English , my wife is Hungarian and I have family living in Germany but sorry France is best ...........

Ooh La La !

umm we mentioned that sort of thing sunday am
ummmmmmm
dougal

dpack wrote:
...
ummmmmmm

That sounds as though Greece might have moved down to second place...
dpack

desert is a harsh environment
Vanessa

I'm glad I moved here too. Gave up the stressful life in the UK at the ripe old age of 43 Very Happy . Will have to find a few things to bring in pennies to keep the wolf from the door, but really enjoying the new lifestyle. Just a shame that "smallholder" isn't a concept understood by the French - you either grow just enough for yourself, or you're a farmer, and have to pay the "cotistations" to match Evil or Very Mad
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