James
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hanging rabbitsjust been given a paunched rabbit and two pigeons. How long should I hang them for?
I seem to remembe my parents used to hang rabbits for around 5 days...but pigeons I have no idea about.
cheers
James
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judith
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I don't hang rabbits at all. Or pigeons for that matter unless they look very old.
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gil
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I wouldn't hang the rabbit either. Fresher the better.
Pigeon - dunno. 24hrs springs to mind, though that tends to be how long it takes me to decide I can't be bothered plucking them whole.
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Simon
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Over night at most here and sometimes not even at all. We breed them for meat. It may be different with wild ones. Pricey will know.
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Jonnyboy
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I dont hang either.
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James
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hmm sounds like a concensus.
I'll skin & freeze em tonight then
do the pigeons not bennifit from a quick hang to loosen the feathers?
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judith
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Pigeon is probably easier to pluck than any other bird - the feathers really come out easily. Still not sure if it is worth the effort of plucking the whole bird though unless you really want stock.
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James
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| judith wrote: | | Pigeon is probably easier to pluck than any other bird - the feathers really come out easily. Still not sure if it is worth the effort of plucking the whole bird though unless you really want stock. |
Could you explain what you mean judith?
do you mean plucking just the breast if I'm going to fillet out the breast meat? (I presume thats were most of the meat is?)
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cab
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If you just pluck out the breast then you can take out the breast meat quite easily, although some recipes benefit from having the whole bird. If I'm stewing pigeons then I like the whole bird. Otherwise, I just gut it for the liver and take the breasts off.
Pigeons get a bit gamier after a few days hanging. Doesn't seem to do them any harm. But be careful - feel the throat and crop end, if its stuffed full of food then deal with it fresh.
As for bunnies, they do get a bit gamier hung, but theres not a lot of advantage to it. Hanging for a few days if you've got a lot to do doesn't seem to do any harm.
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judith
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| James wrote: | | do you mean plucking just the breast if I'm going to fillet out the breast meat? (I presume thats were most of the meat is?) |
Yep exactly. It shouldn't take more than a couple of minutes to do.
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bodger
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Rabbits aren't game as such and should be either eaten quickly or frozen. Get the guts out of your rabbits ASAP or the meat maybe tainted.
When we catch rabbits we kill them and then use a little pressure on the belly inorder to empty their bladder.
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pricey
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They are normally in my belly or in the freezer within 24 hours, don't hang Rabbit, as Bodger said they Ain't strictly game.
When I shoot the pigions, straight away i cut the skin at the neck, go down the Breast exposing the meat and take of the 2 Breasts, reast for the bin, I have enough stock from other meats.
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Jonnyboy
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What pricey said, you don't even have to pluck the breasts.
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bodger
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All birds pluck easiest when still warm.
I'm thinking it but daren't say it !
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cab
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| Jonnyboy wrote: | | What pricey said, you don't even have to pluck the breasts. |
Do you not end up with bits of feather all over the meat if you don't? Although that would wash off...
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pricey
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| cab wrote: | | Jonnyboy wrote: | | What pricey said, you don't even have to pluck the breasts. |
Do you not end up with bits of feather all over the meat if you don't? Although that would wash off... |
Little bits, but as you say they wash off. when it stops raining do you want me to shoot one and do a quick article on it?
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judith
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Yes please!
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cab
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| pricey wrote: |
Little bits, but as you say they wash off. when it stops raining do you want me to shoot one and do a quick article on it? |
Absolutely!
We've got articles on rabbit, hare and squirrel, but not one yet on pigeon. It would be great to have an article telling people how to get the breast off, or indeed giving any other tips on handlign pigeons.
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pricey
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OK, I will try and get one tonight, should have something up by the weekend.
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KILLITnGRILLIT
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Try here for all your Woodpigeon tips........ http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?s=5f9de2909259965d57fc5a10cfa3982c&act=idx
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bimini
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I saw a TV programme (IIRC it was called 'The Bounder and the Bart') in which they took the two breasts attached to the breast bone off as one piece. (Is this a crown?). It looked like a really neat and clean way to take the best meat... can anyone explain how this is done
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pricey
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| bimini wrote: | | I saw a TV programme (IIRC it was called 'The Bounder and the Bart') in which they took the two breasts attached to the breast bone off as one piece. (Is this a crown?). It looked like a really neat and clean way to take the best meat... can anyone explain how this is done |
Will need to get another pigeon for that, I will see what I can do, I wil try and include it in the article, if I can.
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sparky
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also try soaking your bunny in milk over night seems to take the bitterness out of the meet and leave that lovely bouncing bunny flavor
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KILLITnGRILLIT
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| bimini wrote: | | I saw a TV programme (IIRC it was called 'The Bounder and the Bart') in which they took the two breasts attached to the breast bone off as one piece. (Is this a crown?). It looked like a really neat and clean way to take the best meat... can anyone explain how this is done |
Twist the wings til they come off then either stick both thumbs into the neck or(my preference) the gut cavity, then rip the back from the breast like you would a bread roll.
The breast crown will peel from the skin.
i much prefer to use the whole bird by plucking then de-breasting and using the carcase for IMHO the best stock from all birds but the majestic grouse.
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dpack
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see roadkill roast (link pixies please )for p gin recipie
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Graham The Builder
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| bimini wrote: | | I saw a TV programme (IIRC it was called 'The Bounder and the Bart') in which they took the two breasts attached to the breast bone off as one piece. (Is this a crown?). It looked like a really neat and clean way to take the best meat... can anyone explain how this is done |
I allways pluck the breasts of pigeons and then crown joint them. To do this, cut down where the legs meet the body (but don't cut them off). Next, make an incision below the sturnum and follow the ribs until you meet the back bone (you don't need to cut into the guts). Holding the bird in your left hand insert your right thumb into the cavity of the bird and place it under the sturnum, then insert your left thumb and locate the backbone. Now prise apart the sturnum and ribcage from the backbone, you will normally find this surprisingly easy. You should be left with the crown breast of pigeon complete with two wings still attached (I usually discard the back and legs unless I am doing a stock or game soup). You will need to cut off the two flight bones near the birds shoulder blades using poultry shears or similar. Clean away any blood and unwanted tissue. You now have one very tidy looking joint of meat complete with the flavoursome skin still left on.
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Mary-Jane
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| gil wrote: | I wouldn't hang the rabbit either. Fresher the better.
Pigeon - dunno. 24hrs springs to mind, though that tends to be how long it takes me to decide I can't be bothered plucking them whole. |
Us too gil. We had some super rabbits from Pricey at the Welsh DS meet-up in Aber last December. We bunged 'em straight in the freezer and didn't get 'em out until 2 weeks ago. I finished gutting and skinning them and then made a huge 'Lapin aux Pruneaux' with them for us and some friends who pitched up for the weekend - bloody gorgeous! We've also still got a brace of pigeon in the freezer - feathers and all - courtesy of Pricey too.
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bodger
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Earlier someone mentioned a bittterness in rabbit. It's something that I've never experienced.
I could eat rabbit day after day and whilst I enjoy venison I could never face the taste of hare and this is coming from a country boy
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judith
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| bodger wrote: | | Earlier someone mentioned a bittterness in rabbit. It's something that I've never experienced. |
This is probably because you acquire your own rabbits, and prepare them in the very best way. I'm pretty sure that my main rabbit supplier doesn't "milk" them after shooting them, and it does give the meat a distinct taste. It doesn't bother my OH in the least, but I find it very noticeable - to the extent that I would rather eat pretty much any meat other than rabbit, unless I'm being noble and preparing my beloved's favourite wabbit stew.
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Mary-Jane
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| bodger wrote: | | Earlier someone mentioned a bittterness in rabbit. It's something that I've never experienced. |
Me neither - although I have when eating hare on occasion.
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Treacodactyl
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The rabbits we raised for the pot when I was a kid and the rabbits we had from Pricey's tasted great without any bitterness or strong unpleasant taste, however the rabbit I bought from my local farmers market was bitter and unpleasant.
I did soak the skinned and jointed rabbits in a weak brine before rinsing which may of helped but I think milking them and gutting after a few minutes helps greatly or it could just be Pricey's rabbits aren't just any rabbits, these are wild coastal reared holiday rabbits...
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Mary-Jane
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| Treacodactyl wrote: | ...or it could just be Pricey's rabbits aren't just any rabbits, these are wild coastal reared holiday rabbits...  |
The ones we got from Pricey were bloody lovely. Mind you, so was my cooking (yes, I do cook sometimes in our household...in spite of what Gervase may lead you all to believe).
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bodger
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| Treacodactyl wrote: | The rabbits we raised for the pot when I was a kid and the rabbits we had from Pricey's tasted great without any bitterness or strong unpleasant taste, however the rabbit I bought from my local farmers market was bitter and unpleasant.
I did soak the skinned and jointed rabbits in a weak brine before rinsing which may of helped but I think milking them and gutting after a few minutes helps greatly or it could just be Pricey's rabbits aren't just any rabbits, these are wild coastal reared holiday rabbits...  |
The only time you are likely to get an 'off' taste with rabbit is if the guts have been left too long in them, or if the bladder has been ruptured. As I said earlier, its common practice to use pressure on the rabbits abdomen to expel the urine immediately after they've been killed.
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fish (the other one)
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whitelegg1
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The one's at Pricey's have been raised on a diet of electrical insulation and water pipes
They definately did taste very nice though
Pete
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Simon
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| fish (the other one) wrote: | i wouldnt recomend hanging a rabbit! i did 2 nights a go and the next morn the cavity was full of blue bottle eggs! realy disapointed! grrrrrrr  |
We have 'Sac a Jambon's here which come in very handy for times like that. Quite stiff, made of a fine gauze and keep the dreaded blue-bottles off. Our hams would never survive without them.
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pricey
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Just to let those that wanted to see how I do woodies, there is a Article up on the front page now. Thanks Sean
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willding2007
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you will find rabbits will skin more easily if hung in a cool place over night
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Lloyd
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My grandmother used to always soak a rabbit in brine overnight before cooking, to tenderise it. But she also removed what she called the "silver" from the meat, the membrane covering the muscle, to allow the brine to be absobed.
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