| Archive for Downsizer For an ethical approach to consumption |
| jema |
I can see trouble ahead...http://www.opensourcematters.org/ |
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| mark |
ooooh er - what do you think will happen???
and here's me just about to put my egg in the mambo basket!! |
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| jema |
I'd still go for it. mambo is an excellent cms,as I hope you can see from what we have done here?
It still has a big base of programmers who will find a way forward, albeit I can see a fork in the road occuring which a choice between Miro Mambo and Mambo Os. |
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| mark |
i think you are probably right there - i'm just getting to know mambo and and i really like it..
it is pretty flexible - and the its nice how you can add stuff without mucking around with core files! has a good developer base - just hope the ill feeling doesn't drive some away - mind you it might strengthen resolve !!! |
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| jema |
The core files thing is important, we have a mildly tweaked mambo core here, and i have done some mild tweaking on another site. But it is nothing like say hacking the phpbb forum to do what you want. |
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| bagpuss |
what license in mambo currently under? is it GPL | ||||
| jema |
yep |
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| bagpuss |
I guess its branch in the code time then
the mambo foundation go one way and the developers go another |
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| jema |
Well maybe, but maybe the mambo foundation will have to reconsider. it may also loosen constraints for us in an odd sort of way. On the grounds that we are a very dynamic site in terms of development. The sort of site that is likely to want to stay just behind the bleeding edge  I have been pretty strict in laying down the law, that we pretty much do *not* hack the mambo core.
On another site for a member here, where we have used mambo, I took the decision to hack one of the major files, on the grounds that it will be only one file, and on a site displaying a limited amount of info, it does not matter a lot whether it is being done with mambo 4.52 or Mambo 6.8. Aside from security there is no real pressure to keep upgrading. If Mambo ends up lacking a development road map, a decision to unshackle ourselves becomes possible, though still very debatable. |
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| tahir |
Isn't this what's happening with Mozilla and SeaMonkey? | ||||
| mark |
well reading some of the mambo forums it seems like all the development is moving on and leaing mambo foundation out in the cold!
It seems miro now has a major embarassment on its hands which has made it look incompetent - and rather soiled it's reputaion making it look like an , exploiter rather than supporter of the open source community my guess is it will be looking for a way out of the mire where it can salvage some of its reputaion and not lose too much face. Quite how it will do that now is anyones guess though? for the moment though it looks like Mambo open sores! mark |
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| jema |
Something like that. It is both a problem and an opportunity at the same time. For example we hae just removed my "latest articles in a section" mod as Mambo made it appear on pages we did not want 
we also have to run multiple templates to get the frontpage looking diffeent to other pages. I think in a few days I could hack the mambo core, to add a facility to turn off the loading of the page component, and to make modules have the option only to appear optionally on a specific page rather than on that page and all the sub pages. This would do a lot for us, but it would be a very dodgy decision if we are also saying we are staying with the mambo core development roadmap. Basically we can't have it both ways. |
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| jema |
Having followed the threads today, it does seem that the Mambo core development team are making a valient effort to start a new project fork.
I think Miro have whatever their intentions (and i'm afraid they seem dodgy) have shot themselve well and truly in the foot on this. |
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| jema |
The developers of Mambo and Miro choose to go in a different path
Miro is trying to take control over the open source project Mambo, asserts the developers of the project, who have left Mambo and started up Opensourcematters.org. The content managing system has won a numerous of awards around the world. The latest award was the best open source solution on Linuxworld in San Fransisco. Mambo has it origin from a CMS solution developed by the australian Miro, which released it on Sourceforge under the GPL license. It didn't took long time before developers flocked round the application and everything was in peace and order until the day Miro took decision to withdraw the product and revoke the GPL license. Because of the source code had been elaborated under GPL, the community manage put pressure on Miro and force the company to release the source code a further time. It was in this occasion that Mambo was born. Miro announced during the last week Linuxworld that the company has founded a foundation which has as aim to take care of Mambo in the future. This looks at the surface as a good idea but this has been made without the 19 developers knowledge who have deloped Mambo on more or less full time basis and have now started up on their own. According to the developers with Andrew Eddie and Brian Teeman in the front are Miros actions only a further attempt to take control over the application. In the continuation we are with all probabality going to see two different project based on the present Mambo. One project will be developed by Opensourcematters.org, who consist of 19 developers who have left Mambo, while the other project will be developed under Miros direction. You can read more on Opensourcematter website and on the website for Mambo. Translation of an article in idg.se dated 20th of August. IDG is Swedens biggest publisher of computer magazines. |
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| jema |
http://forum.mamboserver.com/showpost.php?p=275350&postcount=382
Seems like one of the prominant mambo developers who was on the new foundation has resigned. He had been making a shaky attempt to defend what was going on, but more from an attempt to play mediator it seemed, than with any real heart. |
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| mark |
yeah I saw this! I kinda been following proceeedings over there! I saw a couple of your posts too Jema. You might have seen mine too - i post there as mgrds
mark |
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| jema |
Ah! I had noticed a "mark" posting over there that I thought might be you. will look out for mgrds. |
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| mark |
Well its official - the New Mambo is now Joomla! see http://www.joomla.org/
mark |
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| jema |
Horrible name
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| High Green Farm |
I want to start work on my website soon, and had intended to use Mambo, but am now confused as to which branch of the fork to take.
Any suggestions? |
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| jema |
has to be Joomla.
They have the developers and the community support. |
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| High Green Farm |
Thanks......I'll give it a go. | ||||
| sean |
Is that a policy decision then? |
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| jema |
Is there a counter argument? |
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| sean |
No, not from me anyway. I'm falling back on my tried and trusted "that's about computers I think jema/TD/Tahir/Dougal should sort it out between them" argument. | ||||
| jema |
In this case it actually gets even more tricky , say just for example Dougal/Tahir lined up with Mambo, but I was convinced Joomla. These are diverging projects and it would get harder and harder for me to support Mambo here, and Joomla on other sites 
Fortunately I think the arguments are quite one sided. |
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| Bugs |
You were sounding off about Microsoft operating systems today, I almost thought you knew what you were talking about. Surely this is a point for Jema to come over all webmasterful and say "we're going this way folks". Let's face it whichever version we have I'm going to complain it doesn't work properly when I put up an article 
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| jema |
probably. but tis alway nicer to have a consensus.
I am quite hopeful that the fork will create quite an impetus in the direction of slicker usability. Think about things like the lame wyswig editor problems The first one out of Mambo or Joomla to get it really sorted with be popular with editors. Without this sort of competition there is little incentive for developers to sort this sort of thing as it is hard and boring work.
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