| Archive for Downsizer For an ethical approach to consumption |
| Brownbear |
If Rozzers are beaten up and put to flight by children?I can't help but feel some sort of line has been crossed, with respect for, and fear of, the authorities so low that not even children pay the police any attention any more.Story Presumably, the streets will soon be run by the Provisional Tufty Club whilst the police cower fretfully in their cars, keeping their spirits up by reading aloud to each other from the Health and Safety regulations. |
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| Chez |
It made me oddly sad when I read the story. | ||||||
| GENT |
Oh dear!
What happend to the days when people were scared to dissagree with the police? the two officers in question were probably scared to use their batons and CS spray for fear fo being sued. Also, (yes it has been said before, but still a valid point) there is no respect for authority in my generation any more, or rather, no fear of authaority. |
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| Brownbear |
I especially love the lily-livered, uber-PC spokesman for the Constabulary:
With coppers of that calibre in charge, no wonder his men are so demoralised. |
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| Pilsbury |
a girl was arresed at the scene and released on bail. 
so assult 2 coppers and be home for tea, she should of been put into a young offenders immediatly until trial, no school any more so no excuse |
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| LynneA |
Reminds me why I avoid Croydon. | ||||||
| Jonnyboy |
Youth and adults, 30 of them. That 15 to 1. I must be a lily livered girl, beause I don't fancy those odds. |
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| Chez |
Quite - but what were the adults doing backing up a fifteen year old doing that kind of thing? |
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| vegplot |
They were all her dad. |
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| Chez |
MY dad would have been marching me down to the litter bin and making me apologise to the Rozzers  .
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| Treacodactyl |
Because there's quite a few people who think that behaviour is fine. This is perhaps a bit more extreme but there's no way I'd suggest someone picks up litter. |
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| vegplot |
It's why IMHO that litter is a far more serious offence than it appears to be. It's one the first stages of demonstrating a lack of respect for others and our environment. |
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| tahir |
And little things like thanking people when they let you cross at a zebra. Mind you nearly got run over yesterday by a bike whose owner decided red lights didn't apply to her 
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| GENT |
I bet Hitler Littered. and Blair.
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| Brownbear |
If a mob of lowlifes had duffed up two coppers in most areas, the next day the place would be crawling with the Special Patrol Group arresting anyone who looked at them in a funny way, until the message got home. All the senior officer here wants to do is not be 'inflammatory' and upset these people by calling them a mob. If that's the attitude at the top, it's hardly surprising that a situation has arisen in which people neither respect the police, nor fear the consequences of attacking them. |
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| sean |
Down here they're so scared of the police that they climb trees to try to get away from them. BBC
Interesting use of the word 'encouraged' by the police. Wonder what they did to encourage them? |
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| Bebo |
Knowing Croydon fairly well, they should go in with the flame throwers and raze(sp) it to the ground. My brother lives in LB Croydon and he has already volunteered to do it. | ||||||
| Brownbear |
I would imagine revving up a chainsaw would be encouragement enough. |
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| LynneA |
I'd help, but it would mean going South of the River 
New Addington (the carbuncle attached to the east of Croydon) was a no-go area in the late 70's. This is what you get three generations on. |
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| yummersetter |
On London Radio this morning, the policeman who had been bitten called up to speak to Anne Diamond (sitting in for Vanessa Felz) about something else, when the incident was mentioned in the news just before he came on air, so he clearly explained the incident
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/noscript.shtml? /radio/aod/london_aod.shtml?london/vanessa_feltz_fri.[/url] if you want to hear the story from the source. Don't know if I should really suggest this as the rest of the programme was so dreadful - skip through on the slider to the news, I think, at two hours in and he follows |
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| yummersetter |
sorry can't get the url thingy to do what I expect it to, I think I need to go to Forum classes | ||||||
| Brownbear |
Perhaps the best thing to do in areas like this is to use voluntary isolation - put a few pie shops, a discount booze warehouse, a benefits office and cashpoint, maybe two pubs so as to offer the inmates scope for pointless rivalry and violence, and leave them to it. Perhaps when we look again in 100 years or so, they'll have either discovered peace and harmony, all killed each other, or allowed th rest of civilisation to follow coherence and self-respect out of their lives, and regressed back up into the trees. | ||||||
| Bebo |
Not all of south london is that bad, honest. My family is from Battersea (parents and grand parents), I grew up in Balham and bought a house in Clapham before we moved out of London completely. In the 38 years I lived there I never felt it was a threatening place - unlike bits of Croydon. My brother bought a house in Thornton Heath nearly 20 years ago. It was quite a nice, quiet area then. It went downhill and is notorious for yobs, druggies and knife crime. However, after years of having some particularly dodgy neighbours a few of the houses in his street have recently been sold to what appear to be respectable young families - you can never tell what goes on behind closed doors, but their fighting doesn't spill out into the street like some of the previous occupiers. It's odd how areas change over time. When I was a child, Brixton used to be a great place with a really good shopping centre. In the 80's and 90's big chunks of it were areas that you would not want to be on your own in curing daylight let alone after dark. Now its full of bars and clubs and its becoming trendy to live there (I think in estate agent speak it has 'urban edge'). Ramble finished.......... |
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| Treacodactyl |
I also know Croydon and some of the area quite well and I don't think it's different to many other towns and cities around the country. If you look at the BBC story two of the people actually arrested don't come from Croydon.
I bet the police would have a very good idea of who is going to react in this way but if they did lock up everyone who does then we'd need to double the prison capacity. Probably best to ignore the crimes in future so the recorded crime rate falls.
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| snozzer |
You have hit it on the head. The police now are scared of either being un PC (thats funny come on smile) or being sued. The coppers should have unleashed with batons and CS/pepper spray holding there ground until reinforcements turned up and then waded in and took as many prisoners as possible. 3 or more, thats a schedule 2 offence of violent disorder the only level above that is riot... |
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| mark |
it seems to me that the newpaper writers and Brown Bear both have a bad case of "sensationaling headlines"
the key words in he text of the article is "two men aged 34 and 38 " have also been detained on suspicion of assault and violent disorder." - i presumed the 15 year old girl also detained and released was the one who originally responded in anger .. This suggests this was may well come down to case of some adult males beating up coppers, aided and maybe cheered on by the kid but thats not the same thing from police being beaten up by a "gang of children" as suggested by brownbears headline the BBC reports it as an attack by a mob - with no mention of being "attacked by children" in fact their words are The Pcs were then surrounded by dozens of other, older men and women, and at least three more teenage girls. not any better for the police involved i know - but i think it doesn't help to blame adult criminality on unruly children |
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| Rob R |
Or the inhabitants of an entire town. |
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| Frewen |
Whatever they did the headline was going to look bad wasn't it 
But don't assume all officers are "lilly livered" last year after a drugs bust the "baddies" retaliated by firebombing 2 senior officer's homes in Essex - including one with a new mum and baby in it 
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| Ian33568 |
Coming from a family who were in the Police force, my heart goes out to these officers and all others who face increasingly hostile communities. They are between a rock and a hard stone.....it is about time the judicial system woke up to the fact that law enforcement is frequently undermined by punishments that mean nothing and therefore our Officers have no real credibility in such situations. | ||||||
| Frewen |
What I find difficult is that the general public still think that the police "decide" to charge people when they don't
All decisions and I mean ALL go to the CPS - ergo, people are bailed "for a decision" by the CPS, not the police. That's right NOT THE POLICE It really gets my goat
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| Ian33568 |
And mine too!
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| dpack |
i was talking with a chap from "the worst ####### country in the world " the democratic republic of congo last week .the kids there have ak 47's and machetes | ||||||
| vegplot |
Police officers are often frustrated by CPS' decisions are is anyone else. More so as they're the ones on the front line. |