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Fee

If you were going to emigrate, where to and why?

As the title suggests.

I think it would have to be an English-speaking country for us. New Zealand and Australia are both tempting.

We have a friend in the later stages of his application to emigrate to New Zealand, and I have to say it's seriously tempting.
tahir

Nowhere, toyed with idea a few times but we love it here, warts n'all.
earthyvirgo

Somewhere warm and lush, where things grow well and reliably.

Parts of Spain appeal, but learning the lingo would be a struggle .... I may be bilingual but a third language has always evaded me.

I love Wales tho'.

EV
Bebo

I like it here, but if forced it would probably have to be NZ or Canada (I'm rubbish at languages).
Andy B

Wales cause its cheaper than England.
Nicky Colour it green

New Zealand. My best friend lives there, and we could buy a lot more land for our money than in South Devon.

Gave it a lot of thought - don't know everything about what I want for my future, but I do know I am rooted to South Devon, where most of my family are.

I doubt we could got to NZ or Oz though- as they dont tend to accept people with existing medical conditions, as my son has. And say what you like about our healthcare system, in the UK we have it a lot better than most.
Blue Sky

Not France. Laughing
vegplot

I'd like a holdiay.
Fee

Simon wrote:
Not France. Laughing


Laughing
vegplot

Simon wrote:
Not France. Laughing


Great country, shame it's full of French.
tahir

Bebo wrote:
I like it here, but if forced it would probably have to be NZ or Canada (I'm rubbish at languages).


I'm the reverse, I'd love the challenge of learning another language properly. Not sure the missus would though.
bernie-woman

tahir wrote:
Nowhere, toyed with idea a few times but we love it here, warts n'all.


We are the same - we have a small amount of family in both Canada and Australia but don't feel tempted - I would love to go to NZ but way too far away from friends and family to call it home Very Happy
sally_in_wales

I love it here in Wales, but I think I could be equally happy in Scotland, as long as I can have trees and mountains, though I wouldnt say no to a flat bit of garden, as we are daydreaming Laughing
Helen_A

Probably Canada...

Company DP works for is currently offering an 'exchange' programme which we're tempted by - shame that its for the next level of job up and getting his training sorted (promised for a *year* now) is proving a pita (the manager is an 'acting' one and they aren't allowed to sign off on any training and the next chap up the chain doesn't seem to have the 'power' to Mad )
Blue Sky

vegplot wrote:
Simon wrote:
Not France. Laughing


Great country, shame it's full of French.


You hit the nail on ........
Rob R

Scotland, to hell with the language barrier.
sean

I wouldn't leave here given the choice, all the things I love are here. Besides, I've already emigrated from London to Devon. If I was going to be forced to then France or Northern Spain I think.
jema

Have often thought about it, on the grounds of money and the weather.

But the likely isolation of moving to where I would struggle with the language is very off putting, and the immigration rules of Oz and NZ probably make them hard to do.
tahir

sean wrote:
If I was going to be forced to then France or Northern Spain I think.


Northern Portugal, or maybe Morocco for me
Barefoot Andrew

tahir wrote:
I'm the reverse, I'd love the challenge of learning another language properly. Not sure the missus would though.


Same here - I'd revel in being totally immersed and the challenge of going from zero to fluency.

In that regard I could emigrate to Wales Laughing although Spain would be nice. Think I'd miss the sort of countryside we have here in upland Britain though - the hills of Derbyshire, Snowdonia and so forth.

From an adventure point of view, Africa would be on the list. I toyed with the idea of applying for a job in Milawi a while back, but family ties here had the stronger hold.

Tropical Oz or rural NZ sounds nice - much shoelessness there by all accounts Very Happy - but Europe/Africa would probably head up my list.
A.
Rob R

Barefoot Andrew wrote:
Think I'd miss the sort of countryside we have here in upland Britain though - the hills of Derbyshire, Snowdonia and so forth.

A.


You couyld always get the Julia Bradbury boxset...
alice

Australia. Should have gone 20 years ago when we had the chance. I was keen but OH wasn't. In hindsight he wishes we'd gone, but he's too old now and it was his qualifications that would have carried us - I don't have any and you don't get many 'points' for having a light hand with pastry Very Happy
Blue Sky

tahir wrote:

Northern Portugal, or maybe Morocco for me


Morocco sounds interesting. They speak french too. I've only been there once but it was interesting and lovely. Language 'barriers' don't bother me in the least bit. If it were up to me we would all be typing Volapük. Cool
Rob R

Simon wrote:
If it were up to me we would all be typing Volapük. Cool


I think some here already do...
Treacodactyl

Until we can break the speed of light I suppose it has to be somewhere on earth?

As OH is good with languages we're looking at Devon and Cornwall.
ksia

tahir wrote:
Bebo wrote:
I like it here, but if forced it would probably have to be NZ or Canada (I'm rubbish at languages).


I'm the reverse, I'd love the challenge of learning another language properly. Not sure the missus would though.


Even if you get the language there will be a zillion cultural references you'll never get. Talk to any Brit and mention Frankie Howerd, Marmite, Page 3 and Corrie (goodness knows what the subject is!) and you've a good chance they'll know what you're saying. Now imagine a non-native joining in with such a conversation. Now imagine the equivalent 'abroad' conversation - with added slang too.

For that reason NZ or Canada!
Blue Sky

ksia wrote:
tahir wrote:
Bebo wrote:
I like it here, but if forced it would probably have to be NZ or Canada (I'm rubbish at languages).


I'm the reverse, I'd love the challenge of learning another language properly. Not sure the missus would though.


Even if you get the language there will be a zillion cultural references you'll never get. Talk to any Brit and mention Frankie Howerd, Marmite, Page 3 and Corrie (goodness knows what the subject is!) and you've a good chance they'll know what you're saying. Now imagine a non-native joining in with such a conversation. Now imagine the equivalent 'abroad' conversation - with added slang too.

For that reason NZ or Canada!


Well said!
Barefoot Andrew

Rob R wrote:
You couyld always get the Julia Bradbury boxset...


Laughing
A.
SandraR

New Zealand for me too. I have an Aunt out there with a small farm she is talking of giving up, now if I was out there we could manage it together. Very Happy

Unlikely though, Devon is in both mine and my OH's blood going back generations.
Jonnyboy

France, or the USA.
vegplot

Always had a hankering for New Zealand.
Erikht

Great Britain, maybe? It can be hard to understand what the natives are saying ("Ay-eh, I con' gott a haulder up yer' trousers, but hawwitt damndable, eh? Cronky!"), but I guess I can get around with a note pad.
Fee

Erikht wrote:
Great Britain, maybe? It can be hard to understand what the natives are saying ("Ay-eh, I con' gott a haulder up yer' trousers, but hawwitt damndable, eh? Cronky!"), but I guess I can get around with a note pad.


Mind translating that? Laughing
Rob R

Erikht wrote:
but I guess I can get around with a note pad.


We call them bicycles over here
Marionb

Australia... simply for the climate

I am always feeling cold.... I am sat in the kitchen today, the aga is lit, and I am wearing nearly as much as I do in winter, and I still dont feel warm.....

Crying or Very sad
marigold

I'm too old and too deeply rooted in England to emigrate now, but if I had to I'd probably go to Portugal (or maybe Sweden).
yummersetter

Just me wanting to go to Italy then? So many places I'd like to be, we'd have to take a camper van and wander from Sicily to the Alps and back again.

I may be confusing emigrating with extended holiday though, 'cos I'm not giving up Somerset for anywhere else. Florence may be wonderful, but so are Glastonbury and Wells Smile
woodsprite

I love England and can never see us moving full time but if I had to go anywhere it would be to Northern Spain. It is beautiful and has mountains and lakes as well as beaches and surf. Its like Wales but with better weather.
Chez

Leave Wales, you mean? Laughing

I don't think I would like to leave the UK - I feel very rooted here. But I like France.
boisdevie1

Surely by limiting yourself to English speaking countries you are really limiting your choice. Learning another language is not easy but gives you much more choice. I learned to speak decent French and my brain is no bigger than anyone elses.
Fee

I don't think it's about limiting yourself.
baldybloke

Thought about Ireland a few years back, but it ain't what it used to be. Possibly Lundy or become a tax exile on the Isle of Man.
tahir

Fee wrote:
I don't think it's about limiting yourself.


I'd agree with BD, my wife would agree with you Wink
Gervase

I'd love to live in Italy. I almost did a few years back, but the bureaucracy involved with work permits, rental agreements and the like (in the days before the EU was completely open) was a major pain and put me off.
Another good point in Italy's favour is that they don't have Centre Parcs!
tahir

HOw come no one's suggested Pakistan? Laughing
jema

Why not I wonder? Can't wait to get out there and advertise one of our sausage making and homebrew courses Laughing
Gervase

I had a friend who emigrated to Kashmir, if that counts!
vegplot

Particularly in the Swat valley (which looks like heaven).
resistance is fertile

yummersetter wrote:
Just me wanting to go to Italy then? So many places I'd like to be, we'd have to take a camper van and wander from Sicily to the Alps and back again.

I may be confusing emigrating with extended holiday though, 'cos I'm not giving up Somerset for anywhere else. Florence may be wonderful, but so are Glastonbury and Wells Smile


We are going for the part time emigration status of (hopefully increasingly)extended stays in Italy, Spain, Hungary.

Its a mainly rain based plan as I occasionally have a yearning to be dry, and we like the priority of life over work in the places we go.
Went

woodsprite wrote:
I love England and can never see us moving full time but if I had to go anywhere it would be to Northern Spain. It is beautiful and has mountains and lakes as well as beaches and surf. Its like Wales but with better weather.


Seconded..... Wink
resistance is fertile

Its great isn't it but dont talk too loud!

Cantabria and Asturias have some of the nicest places I've ever been.

Im also thinking of a 20th aniversary Bull Run next year to see how my general fitness has faired! Very Happy
Went

resistance is fertile wrote:
Its great isn't it but dont talk too loud!

Cantabria and Asturias have some of the nicest places I've ever been.

Im also thinking of a 20th aniversary Bull Run next year to see how my general fitness has faired! Very Happy


Let me know if you are ging to run with the bulls.....I'd love to do it ....well either that or the tomato (fight) festival Very Happy
vegplot

Ian33568 wrote:
resistance is fertile wrote:
Its great isn't it but dont talk too loud!

Cantabria and Asturias have some of the nicest places I've ever been.

Im also thinking of a 20th aniversary Bull Run next year to see how my general fitness has faired! Very Happy


Let me know if you are ging to run with the bulls.....I'd love to do it ....well either that or the tomato (fight) festival Very Happy


Tomatoes, bulls, tomatoes, bulls.

No contest really, unless the tomatoes are in tins.
resistance is fertile

vegplot wrote:
Ian33568 wrote:
resistance is fertile wrote:
Its great isn't it but dont talk too loud!

Cantabria and Asturias have some of the nicest places I've ever been.

Im also thinking of a 20th aniversary Bull Run next year to see how my general fitness has faired! Very Happy


Let me know if you are ging to run with the bulls.....I'd love to do it ....well either that or the tomato (fight) festival Very Happy


Tomatoes, bulls, tomatoes, bulls.

No contest really, unless the tomatoes are in tins.


San Fermin is amazing, the most sustained adrenaline buzz on the planet! Very Happy tomatoes are just not going to give you that kind of euphoric terror!

I'll let you know Ian, Carrie will insist I get some hefty life insurance first then she will be fine with the idea Very Happy
vegplot

Adrenaline buzz! I can get that by telling EV I'll be home in a little while and still be here at work two hours later on Downsizer.
Barefoot Andrew

There seems to be a distinct lack of cold countries in this discussion. No-one fancying Finland? Wink
A.
Effie

Barefoot Andrew wrote:
No-one fancying Finland? Wink


It isn't the cold that's the problem. It is the dark winters in the cold places. I have a lovely Finnish friend who cheerfully will tell you in great detail how there is nothing to do but sit and drink for so many months because it is so dark and snowing outside constantly. I find it scary when she teams up with her Finnish friends to socialise. It's like what AA would be like if all the members fell off the wagon simultaneously during a meeting and went on a pub crawl instead.
gardening-girl

We go of in our campervan every year, see some lovely places, say if only, and then are glad to be home in Somerset Very Happy Very Happy
Behemoth

Wharfedale's a bit different.
Slim

Norway, NZ, Canada - somewhere with cold winters, warmish summers, and some room to stretch my eyes out a bit
Bulgarianlily

We did, two years ago, and have not regreted it for a day! Having decided to leave the UK, for all sorts of reasons including wanting a change, health (too cold and damp), the idiocies of Defra, and wanting to move off our isolated Yorkshire hillside into a community and not being able to afford anything in the UK, we took two years to research where we were going, while the house sold.

Result was Bulgaria. Great climate, four proper old fashioned seasons, stunning scenery, wildlife, loads of history, interesting countries round us to visit (we can see Greece from our window), real sense of community, tradition, most people ARE downsizers in that they have never been anything else but village workers, and all very affordable. Yes ok, we have had to learn a new language, come on people, you did this once in your life aready, you can do it again! Yes it is a challange, and I could feel the rust being chipped off my brain in the early stages, and I had to start by relearning a hell of a lot about English Grammar in order to understand what the teacher was saying! But we can now chat with people, manage without a translator for 95% of the time, we do two classes a week, and you know what? It can be good fun, better than crosswords and sudoku! Learning a language will probably stop you going gaga in your old age.

We have a program of volunteers if anyone wants to come out and experience life here, March to November. Winters are for curling up with a good book in front of the log fire, socialising and skiing.

Someone here said to me, 'I didn't buy a house or land in Bulgaria'. I bought time'. It is very true. Everyday is just crammed full of time to enjoy. We love it!
Jo S

If I had the money and the necessary skills to persuade another country to let me in (and if I could persuade the OH to go for it) then my first choice would be NZ, followed by Canada, Oz and then America.

But ... that's me being lazy and not even considering non-English speaking countries.

What I really want is to own a farm somewhere that's rural and isolated, surrounded by mountains and trees, where the four seasons are distinct, with sun in the summer and snow in the winter, where the landscape isn't spoiled by fast roads and boy racers, where rural life is understood and appreciated by the locals, where there's a real sense of community, where you don't just know your neighbours' names, but you all help one another.

In other words, I love my childhood haunts in west Wales but I want seasonal weather!
ksia

That's a nice post Bulgarianlily.

The language thing keeps coming up - I have the feeling that it's like music or drawing or maths. Those of you that can learn languages ok can't understand why others can't. I'm clever (no really!) but I looked at "ok, so things like tables and oranges and countries are masculine or feminine .... le or la .... er, WTF?!?!? .... there's 5 words for "your" .... oh jeez ...." and I genuinely found it hard to get past these basics.

My French is actually ok - but this is after starting lessons 10 years ago and 5 years of living here.

It could be my head is full. I learn to conjugate 'asseoir' (both forms) I forget how to integrate tan2x or who starred in Dinner at 8.

Learning a language may or may not be a big thing for you. It might be an interesting challenge or a nightmare. There's no right or wrong here.
Tavascarow

If I had my dream life I would be a nomad moving from country to country.
Canada, Alaska, South America, India, Tasmania to name a few.
Anywhere where there's more wildlife than humans (or in Indias instance wildlife so tame that it ignores humans because 90% of them are vegetarian, unlike China where if it moves it's edible!).
But I love Cornwall & would always want to come home to my roots.

Very Happy
Erikht

Slim wrote:
Norway, NZ, Canada - somewhere with cold winters, warmish summers, and some room to stretch my eyes out a bit


Well, language wouldn't be a problem here, as most people speak english, and the winters isn't that cold - at least not on the coast. And farmland is reasonably cheap. And there are okay with jobs.
vegplot

Bulgaria, Poland, Czech republic and eastern Europe appeal a lot. I've never travelled and it would be nice to at least pay a visit to these countries.
Barefoot Andrew

Bulgarianlily wrote:
Someone here said to me, 'I didn't buy a house or land in Bulgaria'. I bought time'. It is very true. Everyday is just crammed full of time to enjoy. We love it!


What an ace philosophy.
A.
BahamaMama

France, in the next 3 or 4 years.

Pros - the weather, lifestyle (southern France), small community life, food and drink, time to stop and chat

Cons - earning a living in a small rural community
Fee

Bulgarianlily wrote:

We have a program of volunteers if anyone wants to come out and experience life here, March to November.


What sort of volunteer work, Bulgarianlily?
Rob R

boisdevie1 wrote:
Surely by limiting yourself to English speaking countries you are really limiting your choice. Learning another language is not easy but gives you much more choice. I learned to speak decent French and my brain is no bigger than anyone elses.


My life's too short to learn French
Rob R

Barefoot Andrew wrote:
There seems to be a distinct lack of cold countries in this discussion. No-one fancying Finland? Wink
A.


Hey, I chose Scotland! Finland over France any day.
marigold

Rob R wrote:
Barefoot Andrew wrote:
There seems to be a distinct lack of cold countries in this discussion. No-one fancying Finland? Wink
A.


Hey, I chose Scotland! Finland over France any day.


And I said Portugal or Sweden... Very Happy
Rob R

Barefoot Andrew wrote:
Bulgarianlily wrote:
Someone here said to me, 'I didn't buy a house or land in Bulgaria'. I bought time'. It is very true. Everyday is just crammed full of time to enjoy. We love it!


What an ace philosophy.
A.


It is indeed, although the notion that you have to leave the UK to follow that philosophy is a false one, though.
Bulgarianlily

Our current crop of volunteers (one australian, one american and one from Lithuania) will be either working in the garden or helping with alternative building techniques, this year we have some stablelised soil walls and light clay woodchip walls going in. Roughly speaking we ask for four hours or so a day, usually early morning before it gets hot, in exchange for accommodation and food, plus we try and make sure people get to see some of the countryside and traditional events. Village where people still wear some traditional costume and most farm work done with horse and cart. Beer at 40p a bottle. Six mountain ranges on view from house. We are just off now to spend the afternoon in the hot springs.
vegplot

Let me know when/if you need any more volunteers.
judith

Rob R wrote:
Barefoot Andrew wrote:
There seems to be a distinct lack of cold countries in this discussion. No-one fancying Finland? Wink
A.


Hey, I chose Scotland! Finland over France any day.


My no. 1 niece has just moved to Finland. But she went for lurve, not to downsize.
Me, I'm looking forward to the holiday!
Barefoot Andrew

It's (Finnish) a great sounding language, especially in folk music.
A.
vegplot

Barefoot Andrew wrote:
It's (Finnish) a great sounding language, especially in folk music.
A.


As in ' I wish it would Finnish'?
Barefoot Andrew

Laughing
A.
sean

vegplot wrote:
Let me know when/if you need any more volunteers.


Oi, you're supposed to be building your own house, not someone else's.
vegplot

sean wrote:
vegplot wrote:
Let me know when/if you need any more volunteers.


Oi, you're supposed to be building your own house, not someone else's.


I need a holiday and some sunshine.
Slim

Erikht wrote:
Slim wrote:
Norway, NZ, Canada - somewhere with cold winters, warmish summers, and some room to stretch my eyes out a bit


Well, language wouldn't be a problem here, as most people speak english, and the winters isn't that cold - at least not on the coast. And farmland is reasonably cheap. And there are okay with jobs.


Men jeg har lyst til aa laerer Norsk! (egads I'm sure I slaughtered that sentence)
Bulgarianlily

vegplot wrote:
Let me know when/if you need any more volunteers.


Let us know when you want a break from I believe is a currently rather wet Britain! Over here it is considered a bit hot when it gets to 40 degrees C..... Very Happy

Easyjet do cheap flights from Manchester to Sofia, and it costs about 5 quid for a four hour coach ride from there to our town.
Mrs R

I would only go if ALL my family pegged it, but I'd probably go to applecross bay in scotland...or america! Yeh bit weird but there's a lot of stuff there I like (I harbour not so secret desires to compete in PBR and breed bucking bulls) and seems to be plenty of space for evading the authorities in Laughing
Slim

You want to be a PBR champion?

Mrs R

is that the beer I should be getting used to?
lettucewoman

I love it here despite the fact that we are beginning to rust, but there are a few places I would consider...Andalucia, Florida and South Africa ...I know south africa is dangerous but i so nearly lived there in another life...we were all set to go for 2 years and looked at some amazing houses, chose schools for the kids etc...and then it fell through. I have been several times and love it so much.

I fell in love with the non tourist bits of Florida and the cost of buying out there is still very cheap...


...and I also fell in love with Andalucia...

....mind you volunteering at bulgarianlilys sounds brill... Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
Slim

Ixy wrote:
is that the beer I should be getting used to?


Depends on your budget. It's the best of the really cheap beers (30 rack for $10 when on sale) and quite popular among hipsters
suomi

Hello from FINLAND Very Happy Smile Smile !
we moved here 3 years ago..and its brilliant. we have a small holding in eastern Finland, 10 sheep, chickens and plans to get a house cow next summer. we grow our own veggies,have fruit trees and bushes and we grow all our own animal feed. Its now time to head into the forest to collect wild raspberries, blueberries and chanterell mushrooms.
weve spent the past week helping a neighbour bring in his hay, usually start around 2.00pm have a swim in the lake and yes its warm and clean followed by coffee then we head into the fields for hours of sweaty work! but what a perfect place to be!
our summers are short but the days are long, it just doesnt get dark! everything is bursting with life.
Yes the winters are cold, but its a dry cold and dark, but we rarely have nothing to do! allways possible to have some time working outside in the barn before its time to de-frost in the warm house with coffee and cake!
we go ice fishing, sking, skating, we have snow worrk to do, animals to feed, wood to bring in........ oh yes and in the winter its time to do all thoese inside jobs that get ignored during the summer!
it gets dark early however with the snow it doesnt feel at all gloomy, and we love the winter....
we love it here, clean air,space, silence, wild foods, great people, great climate, so welcome to anyone!! Smile Smile Smile
Blue Sky

suomi wrote:
, so welcome to anyone!! Smile Smile Smile


Sounds great, but I couldn't hack the cold, dark winters. Neutral
Mrs R

Slim wrote:
Ixy wrote:
is that the beer I should be getting used to?


Depends on your budget. It's the best of the really cheap beers (30 rack for $10 when on sale) and quite popular among hipsters


what's a hipster? budget...hmmm, unless i get real good at PBR real quick...not a lot Laughing

hey, new england, isn't there quite an ox-scene there?
Barefoot Andrew

Slim wrote:
hipsters


Very Happy
A.
resistance is fertile

I have thought about applying to become part of the Ladonian nobility Very Happy
Went

No matter which country you think you might like to relocate to, the key is research, experience before deciding, more research....and letting go. It'll come as no suprise that many people think that they can 'live the dream' but within a few months the dream becomes a bit of a nightmare.Whenever we have talked to such people, it becomes clear early on that they have never really considered the range of emotions, challenges and opportunities such a move entails. For example, some people spend a couple of weeks holiday in a place and go home thinking...."I could live there" or they will watch endless TV programmes about relocating abroad and believe that it is pain free and simple. After three years of research, endless visits and long holidays here, it was the right decision for us however, there were many unexpected challenges - things you never really think about because they are outside of your experience and comfort zone, there were good times and difficult times, many opportunities some lost and some taken....all in all it was the right decision for us. Three years down the line, I am grateful that we are still young enough and motivated enough to continue to change our way of thinking and that we are flexible in our ways. Our quality of life has increased 3 fold. My one piece of advice to anyone considering such a move would be that you have to be able to let go of what you are used to and familiar with....there is nothing worse than a Brit abroad constantly harping on about ....."Back in the UK we could.....or why can't they do it like they do back home"......
Rob R

Ian33568 wrote:
there is nothing worse than a Brit abroad constantly harping on about ....."Back in the UK we could.....or why can't they do it like they do back home"......


There is for me- the ones over here constantly complaining & saying how much better it would be to live abroad without ever actually doing anything about it- I'm happy enough; a constant barrage of moaning just makes me wish they'd emigrate. Laughing
resistance is fertile

Laughing Laughing
boisdevie1

Rob R wrote:
Ian33568 wrote:
there is nothing worse than a Brit abroad constantly harping on about ....."Back in the UK we could.....or why can't they do it like they do back home"......


There is for me- the ones over here constantly complaining & saying how much better it would be to live abroad without ever actually doing anything about it- I'm happy enough; a constant barrage of moaning just makes me wish they'd emigrate. Laughing

Moving to another country is not an easy thing to do, especially if the language is different. There's always a 'grass is always greener' view which leaves people thinking that life in another country might somehow be easier than in the UK. Not so because other counties have differences in culture/language/employment.
After 8 years of living in France this year I'm for the first time earning regularly a decent wage. And I do speak the language.
ksia

boisdevie1 wrote:

After 8 years of living in France this year I'm for the first time earning regularly a decent wage. And I do speak the language.


For me (ia) it's taken 5 years to get a regular rubbish wage. ks about (cross fingers) to start a course after a series of short term jobs. (Both well-qualified, experienced, French speaking, not afraid to try anything). We're not moaning - we have the life we more-or-less want - but yes, bdv, people need to accept brown patches amongst the green grass.
mousjoos

Seconded.
People with 2nd homes tend to think we're all on holiday & work for beer-money.....I f***in' wish!
sean

mousjoos wrote:
Seconded.
People with 2nd homes tend to think we're all on holiday & work for beer-money.....I f***in' wish!


That's the issue really I think. People go to places on holiday and fancy living there without thinking about real life. An astonishing number of 'picture postcard' isolated cottages get sold round here in the summer and appear on the market again the following spring.
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