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rachelk

is catching fish to eat viable?

have lots of spare time and little money would it be viable for me to catch fish to eat does it take a long time to learn would it take me hours to catch any thing and does it cost a lot for licences rods et.
is coarse fish edilbe
i live close to a river and lakes.
many thanks
Jamanda

Bebo does course fishing. Not sure if she eats it though. Carp was certainly eaten a lot in the past, and perch and pike. Zander are edible and introduced and nasty.
Bodger

At most course fishing venues, you'd get lynched for thinking of, let alone actually eating what you catch.
In general, you can eat any trout that you catch and to a much lesser extent these days, any salmon but it tends to cost quite a bit to get the required permissions to fish for them.
You don't say where you live, but the sea is a much better proposition. Up to press, its still perfectly free to fish from the shore and most of what you'll catch is eminantly eatable.
rachelk

Northants furthest you an get from the coast. Whats the thinking with coarse fish are they in danger even the odd pike here and there would e a problem?
Bebo

I don't eat them. If you went to a carp fishing venue and knocked one on the head to eat it you'd probably be strung up from the nearest tree. If you are going to try anything, I gather perch are reasonably tasty and pike are edible, but have vicious pin bones that you have to be very careful with (easy to get stuck in the throat). There was a period in the 70's when perch were thin on the ground, but they've had a resurgence and you'll probably be able to catch quite a few of them.
T.G

For what it costs in rods, licences and learning you'd probably get more to eat from keeping a few meat rabbits.
Hairyloon

At most course fishing venues, you'd get lynched for thinking of, let alone actually eating what you catch.

So don't let 'em know your plans... It's not illegal, though do check the local rules.
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In general, you can eat any trout that you catch...

As long as they are not undersized.

And then of course, there are crayfish...
rachelk

Don't think I could kill a rabbit I would have to look after it too.

Crayfish sounds promising i'll google it
Kenworth

It doesn't have to cost big money to fish.

We used cane poles when I was a kid. They were about 12' long. Nowadays they come jointed like a two piece rod. Nothing technical about them, just watch where you whip the line.

If I found a place I wanted to fish and had no pole, a young sapling could serve the same purpose.
rachelk

apparently you can dangle a piece of bacon rind from a bamboo cane and a length of string sounds like me. think i'll give it a go.
Jamanda

Just check that the area has the right kind of crayfish. It is illegal to catch the endangered native ones.

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/recreation/fishing/38045.aspx
Hairyloon

apparently you can dangle a piece of bacon rind from a bamboo cane and a length of string...

You may need a rod licence for that, but you may not need the cane.
You need a licence to trap them, but it's arguable that bacon & string is not a trap.
Just check that the area has the right kind of crayfish. It is illegal to catch the endangered native ones.
4,000 fine I believe.
Best thing to do is give your local fisheries officer a call.
RichardW


And then of course, there are crayfish...

I think that the EA have now also started charging for a licence for the non native species.
rachelk

i'll need a rod licence for a cane, its classed as a rod. theres american cray fish further up the Nene not sure here though I need to find out. I need to have a go at catching and killing one though or a rod licence will be a waste. Hairyloon

You could try it without the cane... Nick


And then of course, there are crayfish...

I think that the EA have now also started charging for a licence for the non native species.

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/recreation/fishing/119096.aspx

There's no hint of that here. Are you sure?
Treacodactyl


And then of course, there are crayfish...

I think that the EA have now also started charging for a licence for the non native species.

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/recreation/fishing/119096.aspx

There's no hint of that here. Are you sure?

It's just a consultation at the moment, charges are proposed to be introduced next year.

https://consult.environment-agency.gov.uk/portal/ho/fish/auths

40 a year rising to 60 in 2014.
Nick

Reckon forty quids worth it if you catch them in any number. Hairyloon

Reckon forty quids worth it if you catch them in any number.
They are vermin are they not?
Surely they should be encouraging people to catch them?
Nick

You can argue any side, of course. People are catching these and selling them on, presumably making reasonable money from it. Clearly, they're all paying full tax on these, but is it unreasonable to try and monitor the numbers of this invasive species, study their progress, establish who and why is catching them, and both make a charge for the cost of doing this, and recoup some of the tax payers' money?

40 won't buy much, and seems a bargain for a year of unlimited fishing rights, if you like crayfish.
Treacodactyl

If you look at the document the charging structure doesn't seem that fair, hopefully it'll change before it's introduced. Current proposals means someone with one trap fishing a couple of times a year would pay the same as someone with 10 traps fishing every day. At least they do charge more for traps in excess of 10, but 70 for 20 or 160 for 500 still doesn't make 60 for 1 sound good value. Nick

True enough, depends if it's an admin charge, or a quota based charge. I guess that's why it's a consultation. Hairyloon

Is the proposed charge for traps?
If so, just stick to the piece of string...
Nick

It's for any methods other than a 'rod and line'.

The charging structure does have varying fairness, I grant you, but it's not 60 for one; it's 40 for up to ten next year, rising to 60 for up to ten in 2014. These are for a whole year's fishing.

I guess they have to have a minimum charge, to cover the admin costs, and that's always going to hit the low end.

Still, it's open for consultation until 21st October, so we have a chance to have our say.
rachelk

i'm happy with string and garden cane to give myself a free meal one a week. if i can dangle it now and again when i'm out for a walk by the river. not in it to make money. boisdevie1

Illegal on fresh water
http://www.songofthepaddle.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?26356-The-sweetest-handline-you-ever-saw!-(hobo-fishing-wood-porny)
tahir

Just check that the area has the right kind of crayfish. It is illegal to catch the endangered native ones.

And it's illegal to transport the other ones, most advice is not to catch them:

http://www.invasivespeciesscotland.org.uk/invasive_non_native_species/north_american_signal_crayfish.asp

I believe a license anywhere in the UK
pricey

We get them by net when trout fishing, cause there are so many of them Wink Hairyloon

Just check that the area has the right kind of crayfish. It is illegal to catch the endangered native ones.
I believe a license anywhere in the UK
Last I checked, a license is required to trap, and this is largely to protect otters, etc from accidental entrapment.
If you catch them without a trap, you don't need the license.
Hairyloon

Illegal on fresh water
http://www.songofthepaddle.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?26356-The-sweetest-handline-you-ever-saw!-(hobo-fishing-wood-porny)
Why illegal? Confused
NorthernMonkeyGirl

Not wanting to imply anything, but please check where you're fishing. There are a lot of problems at the moment with people fishing from/in nature reserves...often with a taste for carp and claiming not to understand English Confused
I gather most rivers are covered by angling clubs too?
12Bore

Illegal on fresh water
http://www.songofthepaddle.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?26356-The-sweetest-handline-you-ever-saw!-(hobo-fishing-wood-porny)
Why illegal? Confused
From a couple of posts down on the same forum.
""Fishing by means other than that of a rod and line" is the classic poaching charge - this covers; spear, rake, cleek, tailer and a whole raft of things described as "Fixed Engines". "
Northern Boy

Illegal on fresh water
http://www.songofthepaddle.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?26356-The-sweetest-handline-you-ever-saw!-(hobo-fishing-wood-porny)
Why illegal? Confused
From a couple of posts down on the same forum.
""Fishing by means other than that of a rod and line" is the classic poaching charge - this covers; spear, rake, cleek, tailer and a whole raft of things described as "Fixed Engines". "

Quoting a couple of random posts from a forum dedicated to carving wooden paddles is hardly the highest standard of evidence.
12Bore

Ok then, remind me not to take any notice of anything anyone puts on Downsizer........

Try page one of the Environment Agency North West Fisheries Byelaws.

"Anyone, irrespective of their age, fishing for salmon, trout, freshwater fish or eels with any instrument other than rod and line, in these waters, must have a licence issued by the Environment Agency"

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/static/documents/Leisure/North_West_Byelaws.pdf
Hairyloon

"Anyone, irrespective of their age, fishing for salmon, trout, freshwater fish or eels with any instrument other than rod and line, in these waters, must have a licence issued by the Environment Agency"
Requiring a license does not make a thing illegal. Thanks for the link though.

Coming back a point or few, I think the waterways of Britain are a massively underutilised resource, particularly in terms of food production. It would not take a lot to massively increase yield.
Presumably the anglers would be against this idea though: if the rivers were full of fish, then it would take away the challenge. Confused
dpack

ea rod licence covers most conversations

"free "water with trout /grayling is good
size and date regs are for a reason ,big trout use small ones as harvesters before they eat them and then spawn some more Laughing

some waters have a no return policy for some species ,most are harm and return for all .i dont like keeping fish to amuse in a catch ,photo ,return way .i could say bad words about that

haul it in ,kind death ,dinner or swim with it and watch ,
why do peeps want to catch and return ,if i did it with blackbirds or kittens id get locked up
dpack

ps yes if you have the right water robert

there are laws preventing the catching and taking of certain spesiece of fish for the table in this country. Course fish are a no,no. Trout,salmon,grayling when in season, but you should always check with your local angling club dpack

i miss the trout and greyling ,karma will visit the guilty
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