Pel
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Kune Kune stud fees- what to charge?I'm sure there was a topic not long back on here about this.
Anyway my mother has an unregistered KK boar, and has had 2 with possible 3rd enquiries to his use of services.
How do we go about thinking of a charge for him? I'm thinking mum will probably say they bring their own food or just charge what they would use normally, but i'm guessing should add an extra cost for boar to go towards him, maybe like £10 a week... or is that too low/high?
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RichardW
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I guess it depends on how the "service" will happen
Will the sow stay for X weeks
Will the boar go to them for X weeks
Will the sow only come on the day be served & leave
Will the boar go to the sow on the day & return
From the sounds of it you are keeping the sow for a few weeks. I guess then the charge should be for all the food, bedding, meds, poss vets fees plus your time to look after them plus a one off service fee for the boar regardless of how long the sow stays (as only one service will actually do the job).
It could be better for you if the boar could go to them as then you dont have to feed the boar for that number of weeks which will be a greater cost saving that the boar stud fee will be as you would then not charge for his services.
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Pel
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I dont think mum will let Merry go away, as really he is first and foremost a pet, he just so happens to be wanted too 
I think it would probably be the sow comes to stay for 3-4 weeks.
hmm so quick working out going off Merry and Penny at the moment. They probably get through half a bale of straw in just over a week (they bring quite a bit out on their coat), a bag of food lasts them 10 days. so 3 bags between them, plus 4 bales.
1.5 bag @£5.35= £8
2 bale@ £3 (£2.50-£3.50)= £6
£14 for 4 weeks (or 30 days) +
£10 boar fee (?) +
£6 labour
£30 over 4 weeks = £7.50 a week... how does that sound? Though knowing mum she'd make it either £8 or £10 per week all inclusive.
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bring me sunshine
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Legally, doesn't the sow have to stay for 21 days once she arrives?
Glad your mum's still up for the possibility of visitors. I was going to ask about the stud fee but with the arrival of Penny, I wasn't sure if she would still be keen on the idea of additional guests!
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Pel
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I thought it was 28days, well that's what i worked out the working outs on.
She is still up for the idea of guests, well at first she was like my pig is not a pimp  but now after 2 more enquires, i think she sees it as a complement for him
When i left to come away on my sitting, my dad had just finished building the family accommodation hut.. though still needs felt and farrowing bars, but the rest is done. The 2nd pen has been planned and materials have been bought, just got to get the hard work done now. But at least we don't have to rush as merry seems quite a gentleman to Penny (though he is boss) and has welcomed her with open arms as such. So guests and Merry can i have one pen whilst Penny and her future litter to be can have the other.
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Pel
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Would you be happy with paying £10 a week, be honest now do you think that's to high or just right?
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bring me sunshine
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Service-wise, 28 days is better because you're guaranteed to get her when she's on heat, but the standstill is just 21 days, non?
I'd happily pay £10 a week, whether for 3 or 4 weeks - it's cheaper than running a boar for a year!
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Pel
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Just talking to mum now, she is thinking this:
£7 per week feed for sow, then stud fee would be £5 per live piglet on arrival of litter.
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Pel
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BMS, when did your KK gilt come into first season? Is it the same as normal pig 5-6months old? I haven't seen her on heat yet and she has just turned 5 months.
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bring me sunshine
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| Pel wrote: | Just talking to mum now, she is thinking this:
£7 per week feed for sow, then stud fee would be £5 per live piglet on arrival of litter. |
Hmm, sounds fine with neighbours but doesn't seem that wise to me... A set fee would be a safer bet, though there is the question of a return service if she* doesn't take
*the sow, not your mum!
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bring me sunshine
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| Pel wrote: | | BMS, when did your KK gilt come into first season? Is it the same as normal pig 5-6months old? I haven't seen her on heat yet and she has just turned 5 months. |
erm ...............................
I think I first noticed at 6/7 months, but they were all meant to be for the freezer at 8 months so I wasn't paying much attention 
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Pel
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| bring me sunshine wrote: | | Pel wrote: | Just talking to mum now, she is thinking this:
£7 per week feed for sow, then stud fee would be £5 per live piglet on arrival of litter. |
Hmm, sounds fine with neighbours but doesn't seem that wise to me... A set fee would be a safer bet, though there is the question of a return service if she* doesn't take
*the sow, not your mum! |
Yeah that's what I thought, but thought it be best to wait for someone else to say it. Then I can read it allowed (down the phone). I think the £10 a week seems reasonable enough and it means mum gets the same price each time. I know she was seeing it like well if the sow doesn't take then there isn't any extra money on top. Not too sure what to do though if she didn't take even after two attempts at it.
Though talking to mum I think she wants to wait till Penny produces as then she knows he works.. but then perhaps it might be a case of well perhaps it isnt him. I know she said she is happy for you (your gilt) to visit him and try him out so to speak.
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RichardW
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£5 per live piglet would make it non viable for meat production. I assume you are going for the registered breeding of pet pigs route?
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bring me sunshine
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Well, I don't want any winter litters as my pigs live out year round and it gets very cold in their field (we've already had our first ground frost!) so I wouldn't want to take her to a boar until at least January, which gives Penny and Merry plenty of time to practice!
In terms of how many returns, the only experience I've got is with horses, sheep and dogs. Horses, it seems to be one return; sheep I can't remember, though I assume that my mother was one of the few sheep farmers around who didn't cull a barren ewe the first year she was barren; as for dogs, I know we took my Cairn three times before she took, though whether the second free return was usual, I do not know... that wasn't much help, was it?!
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Pel
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| RichardW wrote: | | £5 per live piglet would make it non viable for meat production. I assume you are going for the registered breeding of pet pigs route? |
No, just that was my mum's idea of how to do the costs. We hadnt given a thought to using him at stud (or whatever its called for pigs), then when we started to get a few enquires, sort of decided to think of how much was a reasonable price to charge.
Dont know what mum sees it as, but dad would see it as a way of Merry keeping his keep and the litters he produces would be for meat, as he isn't registered and I don't think anyone round here would pay riduclous pet prices (£200+ kind).
Though didn't know you had to be registered for breeding pet pigs.
BMS, yeah we didn't think you'd want him before January for your little gilt  Like you say plenty of time to practice... I think he knows what he is supposed to do, as he goes checking her every now and then.
One of my mum's enquiries was off a guy who already has a boar and a gilt, but his boar doesn't know what to do 
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bring me sunshine
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My old boy often had problems figuring things out:
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Ixy
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He looks happy enough though!
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NeathChris
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I think the price also all depends on the quality of the boar, better examples are worth more, poorer examples less maybe even not worth using.
Just being a boar doesnt make it a good breeding animal.
We charge £40 for meat production pigs more for pedigree.
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bring me sunshine
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He enjoyed every minute. I think he deliberately made himself infertile so he could have another go in three weeks instead of waiting 16 weeks!
I spoke to his breeder a few months ago and she said he took ages to figure things out and was often seen up at the wrong end. She fell over laughing when I said he still got confused, seven years later 
Poor old guy's sausages now 
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Ixy
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| NeathChris wrote: | I think the price also all depends on the quality of the boar, better examples are worth more, poorer examples less maybe even not worth using.
Just being a boar doesnt make it a good breeding animal.
We charge £40 for meat production pigs more for pedigree. |
kune kunes are a bit different though - more for pets - although I personally would still only breed from a 'correct' animal even if it was for pets, so I'd not pay anything for an unregistered animal unless I'd assessed it with my own eyes and seen it was sound. Our GOS boar is unregistered but boy does he throw good piglets!
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NeathChris
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Even though for pets the animal needs to be bred correct so it can function happily in life and comfortably, good feet and legs.
Kunes are bit different though, but good pigs in their place and what they do.
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Pel
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| NeathChris wrote: | I think the price also all depends on the quality of the boar, better examples are worth more, poorer examples less maybe even not worth using.
Just being a boar doesnt make it a good breeding animal.
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Well you've seen our Merry, what did you think of him? Good enough to perhaps one day put to your far future KK gilt for meat purposes 
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Pel
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Well Neathchris is quite a gentleman, and Pm'd me his reply. Unfortuntely Merry isn't up to his standards, though I guessed that.
BMS your still more than happy to use Merry's services, but i will be Pm'ing you Chris' reply as i wouldnt want to give you a false picture of Merry, (which i'm sure i havent).
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RichardW
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| Pel wrote: | [
Though didn't know you had to be registered for breeding pet pigs.
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I meant selling pet pigs that are registered (IE to get the most money) not you had to be registered to sell pet pigs.
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Pel
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| RichardW wrote: | | Pel wrote: | [
Though didn't know you had to be registered for breeding pet pigs.
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I meant selling pet pigs that are registered (IE to get the most money) not you had to be registered to sell pet pigs. |
ahhhh, I see, sorry misunderstood Definitely cant do that as Merry is unregistered.
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Pel
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| bring me sunshine wrote: | My old boy often had problems figuring things out:
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He looks soo pleased with himself.. reminds me of one my bucks.
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