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Finsky

Looking for 'old fashion' wheat seeds..

Does anybody know source where to get hold of few handfuls of 'old type', really tall wheat seeds?
Feel free to point me to right direction...or have you got some to sell?....to swap for something else? (I'm seed hoarder so lots of exiting varieties of all sort of veg is available "wink")

Oh..and yes, I know it is not 'the right time of the year' for sowing..but I have few growing experiments in my sleeve that need to be done or they will forever niggle in the back of my mind if I don't get them done + I've wanted to grow 'old' type wheat anyway

:D :roll:no smilies
NorthernMonkeyGirl

I'll ask around...no smilies
NorthernMonkeyGirl

http://www.brownenvelopeseeds.com/product-p/maris-widgeon.htm ?no smilies
Treacodactyl

How serious are you? If it's out of general curiosity there's a few places selling old wheat seed varieties, but if you're really interested in some specific characteristics the John Innes Centre may be able to help as they've been growing and experimenting with old cereals: http://www.jic.ac.uk/germplasm/UK-heritage-cereals.htmno smilies
Finsky

Brown envelope seeds...
Ah, why didn't I think of checking them..

:roll:
Thank you!

Now what else should I get while I'm shopping...... :lol:no smilies
Piggyphile

http://www.brownenvelopeseeds.com/product-p/maris-widgeon.htm ?


Wow they look great, I haven't heard of them before, they have perennial wheat as well thanksno smilies
Finsky

How serious are you? If it's out of general curiosity there's a few places selling old wheat seed varieties, but if you're really interested in some specific characteristics the John Innes Centre may be able to help as they've been growing and experimenting with old cereals: http://www.jic.ac.uk/germplasm/UK-heritage-cereals.htm

Umm..I doubt they would part with their stuff for general bublic...they are so tight with their peas that I've been eyeing for years...
I'm just hobbyist that is always trying to meddle growing different things and satisfy one's curiosity. And while growing stuff...I always have to 'experiment' with growing methods...best way to learn.. :wink:
I'm gardeners by profession but that is 'boring'....growing food and experimenting while doing it is joy!! :Dno smilies
NorthernMonkeyGirl

You realise that now you'll have to update us all on these experiments, right? :lol:no smilies Finsky

How serious are you? If it's out of general curiosity there's a few places selling old wheat seed varieties, but if you're really interested in some specific characteristics the John Innes Centre may be able to help as they've been growing and experimenting with old cereals: http://www.jic.ac.uk/germplasm/UK-heritage-cereals.htm

I just read the article....I just might give them a try too...one never knows if one is lucky.. :wink:
In past I have managed to get some seed samples from Nordic seedbank too...one just need to know some chosen 'magic words' when applying.. :wink: :lol:no smilies
NorthernMonkeyGirl

If you're on the Evil Facebook it's worth searching for gardening groups, I'm in a couple of little ones for funny root crops and Hablitzia :) Excellent for swapping tips and seeds!no smilies Ty Gwyn

If thatching wheat is still grown in the UK,the growers would be a good place to start for obtaining a handful of seed.no smilies Finsky

You realise that now you'll have to update us all on these experiments, right? :lol:
Ah...I do...if there is anything to tell once I've finished... :roll:

Any how....it all started when I read book..."we want real food'...
and mentioned Japanese Farmer Masanobu Fukuoka...I'll let you do some googling... :wink:
I've been pampering my soil for some years...and still in process doing so...so I now I feel I'm ready for some 'action'... :lol:no smilies
Finsky

If thatching wheat is still grown in the UK,the growers would be a good place to start for obtaining a handful of seed.

There is non grown on this part of the country and finding out any who do is not easy...no smilies
Finsky

If you're on the Evil Facebook it's worth searching for gardening groups, I'm in a couple of little ones for funny root crops and Hablitzia :) Excellent for swapping tips and seeds!
Nope...I packed up with the 'evil' few years ago... :twisted:
Usually I do find what I'm looking for through my gardening friends '..but wheat is not 'usual' crop amongst veg growers.no smilies
NorthernMonkeyGirl

I printed off Fukuoka's book....then realised after binding that it had printed in a bizarre order, and haven't had the guts to try and re-order it. Doh.

Another link suggested elsewhere: http://www.traditional-thatch.org.uk/content/about-thatch/methods-materials/straw-species-and-varieties/no smilies
Nick

How serious are you? If it's out of general curiosity there's a few places selling old wheat seed varieties, but if you're really interested in some specific characteristics the John Innes Centre may be able to help as they've been growing and experimenting with old cereals: http://www.jic.ac.uk/germplasm/UK-heritage-cereals.htm
Umm..I doubt they would part with their stuff for general bublic...they are so tight with their peas that I've been eyeing for years...
I'm just hobbyist that is always trying to meddle growing different things and satisfy one's curiosity. And while growing stuff...I always have to 'experiment' with growing methods...best way to learn.. :wink:
I'm gardeners by profession but that is 'boring'....growing food and experimenting while doing it is joy!! :D

Have you rung and asked?
http://www.jic.ac.uk/germplasm/help.htm

They are free of charge to breeders and researchers. Not sure where they draw the line, but they are set up to supply seeds to people.no smilies
Finsky

Order done and now I'm starting to put the little grey sell's into action...lots of thinking and planning to do while I'm waiting growing season to start...knit while you think and all will go well.. :wink: :lol:no smilies Finsky

How serious are you? If it's out of general curiosity there's a few places selling old wheat seed varieties, but if you're really interested in some specific characteristics the John Innes Centre may be able to help as they've been growing and experimenting with old cereals: http://www.jic.ac.uk/germplasm/UK-heritage-cereals.htm
Umm..I doubt they would part with their stuff for general bublic...they are so tight with their peas that I've been eyeing for years...
I'm just hobbyist that is always trying to meddle growing different things and satisfy one's curiosity. And while growing stuff...I always have to 'experiment' with growing methods...best way to learn.. :wink:
I'm gardeners by profession but that is 'boring'....growing food and experimenting while doing it is joy!! :D

Have you rung and asked?
http://www.jic.ac.uk/germplasm/help.htm

They are free of charge to breeders and researchers. Not sure where they draw the line, but they are set up to supply seeds to people.
THAAAANK YOU for the link... :D I just sent them a email and told them 'my story'.. :lol:
One can only try.. :wink: I'll let you know what happened...no smilies
Nick

Td's the man with the plan. Blame/thank him.no smilies Treacodactyl

It's not the first time the question has come up. Someone I know on another forum ended up getting hold of seeds via the US in the end.

I'd be interested to hear what the JIC say, after all there's plenty of amateurs out there who do a fair bit of useful research.no smilies
Ty Gwyn

[quote="Finsky:1380400"]If thatching wheat is still grown in the UK,the growers would be a good place to start for obtaining a handful of seed.

There is non grown on this part of the country and finding out any who do is not easy...[/quote

In-fact there are several in the East Midlands,still cut with a Reaper and Binder.no smilies
Finsky

[quote="Ty Gwyn:1380421"]If thatching wheat is still grown in the UK,the growers would be a good place to start for obtaining a handful of seed.

There is non grown on this part of the country and finding out any who do is not easy...[/quote

In-fact there are several in the East Midlands,still cut with a Reaper and Binder.

Really?! :o Um...suppose one have know those 'circles' to know where they are grown and who by.
I have asked from some farmers, beaters, hunters, gamekeepers, shepheds..just anybody that has anything to do with 'land' , that if they have heard or know anything about long wheat being grown..but nobody that I know knows anything about it.. :roll:
Last year I was after sugar beet...and once I got hold of some..the word got around I ended up with several lots coming from all over the place...
:lol: :roll:
We'll see what happens this time. I ordered some from BES and sent email to JIC..and like I already explained..I have asked from lot of people around here. If I end up with one lot...that is enough.....for now... :lol:no smilies
Nick

http://www.scales-farms.co.uk/thatching_type.html

Ask them?no smilies
Finsky

http://www.scales-farms.co.uk/thatching_type.html

Ask them?

Thank for the link!


I shall hold on for now and not ask anymore..or I just might end up more than I bargained for.
I'm not actually after thatching straw as such..but more of bread making wheat that has long straw as 'bonus'.. for few crafts that I might take on... :roll:
Hmm...though having thatched roof over log store would look really nice...something that could be little 'practice' piece.. :lol:
I might have to take over few more allotment plots for that project.. :roll:no smilies
pollyanna

Suffolk/Kings Seeds sells them.no smilies Finsky

Suffolk/Kings Seeds sells them.
Thank you!
They do sell 'wheat' but don't specify what kind/variety.
I suspect it would be commercial, short straw type.no smilies
Finsky

I've got update to this post... :D !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

As I mentioned earlier on that I sent email to JI centre...WELLLLLL....
I got email back and as long as I'm happy to delay the sowing until next autumn...they are happy to send me suitable sample :cheers:
I don't know what variety or even if they send me more than one, or when I will receive the sample...but they did say YES!!!
SO..I'm going to have practice 'round' with my other wheat seeds this spring and leave the tall ones when it is said 'appropriate sowing time'.

YAYYYYY!....thank you for the links! :thumbright:no smilies
Nick

Excellent. Repay them with photos, a summary of your results, and the offer of returning seed. They won't want it, but it'll make everyone feel good, and the next person will also get given some. :)

Really pleased. Nice folks, the JIC.no smilies
Treacodactyl

YAYYYYY!....thank you for the links! :thumbright:

My work here is done. :evil5:

...actually, thanks for the update as I can see us wishing to experiment with some seeds from there.

It's also surprising how often we bump into people wanting to grow wheat for one reason or another.no smilies
tahir

I've got update to this post... :D !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

As I mentioned earlier on that I sent email to JI centre...WELLLLLL....
I got email back and as long as I'm happy to delay the sowing until next autumn...they are happy to send me suitable sample :cheers:
I don't know what variety or even if they send me more than one, or when I will receive the sample...but they did say YES!!!
SO..I'm going to have practice 'round' with my other wheat seeds this spring and leave the tall ones when it is said 'appropriate sowing time'.

YAYYYYY!....thank you for the links! :thumbright:

The other one to contact is Elm Farm:

http://www.organicresearchcentre.com/no smilies
Cathryn

Or IBERS , the university here, who have been helping a local mill owner to grow wheat here.no smilies Finsky

Well..I've got what I wanted now....BUT...the links and suggestions you've given are very interesting. Hmm...what should I 'find' next.... :twisted: :lol:no smilies Finsky

Another update :D !!!!!!

I just received little parcel from JIC!

AND..I did get my sample...not only that! I received 6 samples!!! :D
....half of them spring wheat and other half winter wheat!!!

Now what was it again what I said in one of my earlier posts...
Quote:
"I shall hold on for now and not ask anymore..or I just might end up more than I bargained for."


:lol: ..."speak of the devil..."no smilies
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