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Finsky

Looking for 'old fashion' wheat seeds..

Does anybody know source where to get hold of few handfuls of 'old type', really tall wheat seeds?
Feel free to point me to right direction...or have you got some to sell?....to swap for something else? (I'm seed hoarder so lots of exiting varieties of all sort of veg is available "wink")

Oh..and yes, I know it is not 'the right time of the year' for sowing..but I have few growing experiments in my sleeve that need to be done or they will forever niggle in the back of my mind if I don't get them done + I've wanted to grow 'old' type wheat anyway

Very Happy Rolling Eyes
NorthernMonkeyGirl

I'll ask around...
NorthernMonkeyGirl

http://www.brownenvelopeseeds.com/product-p/maris-widgeon.htm ?
Treacodactyl

How serious are you? If it's out of general curiosity there's a few places selling old wheat seed varieties, but if you're really interested in some specific characteristics the John Innes Centre may be able to help as they've been growing and experimenting with old cereals: http://www.jic.ac.uk/germplasm/UK-heritage-cereals.htm
Finsky

Brown envelope seeds...
Ah, why didn't I think of checking them..

Rolling Eyes
Thank you!

Now what else should I get while I'm shopping...... Laughing
Piggyphile

http://www.brownenvelopeseeds.com/product-p/maris-widgeon.htm ?


Wow they look great, I haven't heard of them before, they have perennial wheat as well thanks
Finsky

How serious are you? If it's out of general curiosity there's a few places selling old wheat seed varieties, but if you're really interested in some specific characteristics the John Innes Centre may be able to help as they've been growing and experimenting with old cereals: http://www.jic.ac.uk/germplasm/UK-heritage-cereals.htm

Umm..I doubt they would part with their stuff for general bublic...they are so tight with their peas that I've been eyeing for years...
I'm just hobbyist that is always trying to meddle growing different things and satisfy one's curiosity. And while growing stuff...I always have to 'experiment' with growing methods...best way to learn.. Wink
I'm gardeners by profession but that is 'boring'....growing food and experimenting while doing it is joy!! Very Happy
NorthernMonkeyGirl

You realise that now you'll have to update us all on these experiments, right? Laughing Finsky

How serious are you? If it's out of general curiosity there's a few places selling old wheat seed varieties, but if you're really interested in some specific characteristics the John Innes Centre may be able to help as they've been growing and experimenting with old cereals: http://www.jic.ac.uk/germplasm/UK-heritage-cereals.htm

I just read the article....I just might give them a try too...one never knows if one is lucky.. Wink
In past I have managed to get some seed samples from Nordic seedbank too...one just need to know some chosen 'magic words' when applying.. Wink Laughing
NorthernMonkeyGirl

If you're on the Evil Facebook it's worth searching for gardening groups, I'm in a couple of little ones for funny root crops and Hablitzia Smile Excellent for swapping tips and seeds! Ty Gwyn

If thatching wheat is still grown in the UK,the growers would be a good place to start for obtaining a handful of seed. Finsky

You realise that now you'll have to update us all on these experiments, right? Laughing
Ah...I do...if there is anything to tell once I've finished... Rolling Eyes

Any how....it all started when I read book..."we want real food'...
and mentioned Japanese Farmer Masanobu Fukuoka...I'll let you do some googling... Wink
I've been pampering my soil for some years...and still in process doing so...so I now I feel I'm ready for some 'action'... Laughing
Finsky

If thatching wheat is still grown in the UK,the growers would be a good place to start for obtaining a handful of seed.

There is non grown on this part of the country and finding out any who do is not easy...
Finsky

If you're on the Evil Facebook it's worth searching for gardening groups, I'm in a couple of little ones for funny root crops and Hablitzia Smile Excellent for swapping tips and seeds!
Nope...I packed up with the 'evil' few years ago... Twisted Evil
Usually I do find what I'm looking for through my gardening friends '..but wheat is not 'usual' crop amongst veg growers.
NorthernMonkeyGirl

I printed off Fukuoka's book....then realised after binding that it had printed in a bizarre order, and haven't had the guts to try and re-order it. Doh.

Another link suggested elsewhere: http://www.traditional-thatch.org.uk/content/about-thatch/methods-materials/straw-species-and-varieties/
Nick

How serious are you? If it's out of general curiosity there's a few places selling old wheat seed varieties, but if you're really interested in some specific characteristics the John Innes Centre may be able to help as they've been growing and experimenting with old cereals: http://www.jic.ac.uk/germplasm/UK-heritage-cereals.htm
Umm..I doubt they would part with their stuff for general bublic...they are so tight with their peas that I've been eyeing for years...
I'm just hobbyist that is always trying to meddle growing different things and satisfy one's curiosity. And while growing stuff...I always have to 'experiment' with growing methods...best way to learn.. Wink
I'm gardeners by profession but that is 'boring'....growing food and experimenting while doing it is joy!! Very Happy

Have you rung and asked?
http://www.jic.ac.uk/germplasm/help.htm

They are free of charge to breeders and researchers. Not sure where they draw the line, but they are set up to supply seeds to people.
Finsky

Order done and now I'm starting to put the little grey sell's into action...lots of thinking and planning to do while I'm waiting growing season to start...knit while you think and all will go well.. Wink Laughing Finsky

How serious are you? If it's out of general curiosity there's a few places selling old wheat seed varieties, but if you're really interested in some specific characteristics the John Innes Centre may be able to help as they've been growing and experimenting with old cereals: http://www.jic.ac.uk/germplasm/UK-heritage-cereals.htm
Umm..I doubt they would part with their stuff for general bublic...they are so tight with their peas that I've been eyeing for years...
I'm just hobbyist that is always trying to meddle growing different things and satisfy one's curiosity. And while growing stuff...I always have to 'experiment' with growing methods...best way to learn.. Wink
I'm gardeners by profession but that is 'boring'....growing food and experimenting while doing it is joy!! Very Happy

Have you rung and asked?
http://www.jic.ac.uk/germplasm/help.htm

They are free of charge to breeders and researchers. Not sure where they draw the line, but they are set up to supply seeds to people.
THAAAANK YOU for the link... Very Happy I just sent them a email and told them 'my story'.. Laughing
One can only try.. Wink I'll let you know what happened...
Nick

Td's the man with the plan. Blame/thank him. Treacodactyl

It's not the first time the question has come up. Someone I know on another forum ended up getting hold of seeds via the US in the end.

I'd be interested to hear what the JIC say, after all there's plenty of amateurs out there who do a fair bit of useful research.
Ty Gwyn

[quote="Finsky:1380400"]If thatching wheat is still grown in the UK,the growers would be a good place to start for obtaining a handful of seed.

There is non grown on this part of the country and finding out any who do is not easy...[/quote

In-fact there are several in the East Midlands,still cut with a Reaper and Binder.
Finsky

[quote="Ty Gwyn:1380421"]If thatching wheat is still grown in the UK,the growers would be a good place to start for obtaining a handful of seed.

There is non grown on this part of the country and finding out any who do is not easy...[/quote

In-fact there are several in the East Midlands,still cut with a Reaper and Binder.

Really?! Surprised Um...suppose one have know those 'circles' to know where they are grown and who by.
I have asked from some farmers, beaters, hunters, gamekeepers, shepheds..just anybody that has anything to do with 'land' , that if they have heard or know anything about long wheat being grown..but nobody that I know knows anything about it.. Rolling Eyes
Last year I was after sugar beet...and once I got hold of some..the word got around I ended up with several lots coming from all over the place...
Laughing Rolling Eyes
We'll see what happens this time. I ordered some from BES and sent email to JIC..and like I already explained..I have asked from lot of people around here. If I end up with one lot...that is enough.....for now... Laughing
Nick

http://www.scales-farms.co.uk/thatching_type.html

Ask them?
Finsky

http://www.scales-farms.co.uk/thatching_type.html

Ask them?

Thank for the link!


I shall hold on for now and not ask anymore..or I just might end up more than I bargained for.
I'm not actually after thatching straw as such..but more of bread making wheat that has long straw as 'bonus'.. for few crafts that I might take on... Rolling Eyes
Hmm...though having thatched roof over log store would look really nice...something that could be little 'practice' piece.. Laughing
I might have to take over few more allotment plots for that project.. Rolling Eyes
pollyanna

Suffolk/Kings Seeds sells them. Finsky

Suffolk/Kings Seeds sells them.
Thank you!
They do sell 'wheat' but don't specify what kind/variety.
I suspect it would be commercial, short straw type.
Finsky

I've got update to this post... Very Happy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Laughing

As I mentioned earlier on that I sent email to JI centre...WELLLLLL....
I got email back and as long as I'm happy to delay the sowing until next autumn...they are happy to send me suitable sample cheers
I don't know what variety or even if they send me more than one, or when I will receive the sample...but they did say YES!!!
SO..I'm going to have practice 'round' with my other wheat seeds this spring and leave the tall ones when it is said 'appropriate sowing time'.

YAYYYYY!....thank you for the links! thumbright
Nick

Excellent. Repay them with photos, a summary of your results, and the offer of returning seed. They won't want it, but it'll make everyone feel good, and the next person will also get given some. Smile

Really pleased. Nice folks, the JIC.
Treacodactyl

YAYYYYY!....thank you for the links! thumbright

My work here is done. evil5

...actually, thanks for the update as I can see us wishing to experiment with some seeds from there.

It's also surprising how often we bump into people wanting to grow wheat for one reason or another.
tahir

I've got update to this post... Very Happy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Laughing

As I mentioned earlier on that I sent email to JI centre...WELLLLLL....
I got email back and as long as I'm happy to delay the sowing until next autumn...they are happy to send me suitable sample cheers
I don't know what variety or even if they send me more than one, or when I will receive the sample...but they did say YES!!!
SO..I'm going to have practice 'round' with my other wheat seeds this spring and leave the tall ones when it is said 'appropriate sowing time'.

YAYYYYY!....thank you for the links! thumbright

The other one to contact is Elm Farm:

http://www.organicresearchcentre.com/
Cathryn

Or IBERS , the university here, who have been helping a local mill owner to grow wheat here. Finsky

Well..I've got what I wanted now....BUT...the links and suggestions you've given are very interesting. Hmm...what should I 'find' next.... Twisted Evil Laughing Finsky

Another update Very Happy !!!!!!

I just received little parcel from JIC!

AND..I did get my sample...not only that! I received 6 samples!!! Very Happy
....half of them spring wheat and other half winter wheat!!!

Now what was it again what I said in one of my earlier posts...
Quote:
"I shall hold on for now and not ask anymore..or I just might end up more than I bargained for."


Laughing ..."speak of the devil..."
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