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Ever since I saw the tv programme about intensive milk production, we have bought organic milk.
I heard a few days ago on Radio Scotland that most organic milk is imported from the continent.
Dilemma.
Do I buy organic milk which is more ethically produced, or non organic which reduces airmiles/sea miles?
If I buy organic, am I actually encouraging UK production of organic, or simply stimulating continental production and encouraging even more air/sea miles.
We have, after much family discussion, decided that unless organic fruit and veg is "down the road", we won't bother with it as we think that food miles matter more than organics, and at 42 and 47 we are so stuffed with pesticides anyway we'll be preserved till we are about 150 anyway. We think that fairtrade matters more than organics.
What does everyone else think?
n
wishus

I buy organic - maybe not the lesser of 2 evils, but at least it still has most of the nutrients.
Penny Outskirts

It's a dilema, but I go for local - it's not organic, but it tastes like real milk.
sean

I'm far more concerned about buying local than buying Organic in general. It doesn't really work for milk, but I can buy locally (or distantly in the case of RobR's mutton) produced meat and veg which have been produced in a way that I'm happy with even if they haven't got the badge.
gil

After FMD (for some reason) a lot of dairy farmers in the UK decided to convert to organic (probably to get the price premium). So many, that the organic milk market was 'saturated', and a lot of UK organic milk had to be mixed in with and sold as non-organic. Then quite a few farmers went back to producing conventional milk.

I know that at least one of the big supermarkets now gets its organic milk from the UK. Will check out which and report back.
gil

After FMD (for some reason) a lot of dairy farmers in the UK decided to convert to organic (probably to get the price premium). So many, that the organic milk market was 'saturated', and a lot of UK organic milk had to be mixed in with and sold as non-organic. Then quite a few farmers went back to producing conventional milk.

I know that at least one of the big supermarkets now gets its organic milk from the UK. Will check out which and report back.
Lyds

I'd rather go for local anyday - I think the whole idea of organic at any cost defies logic. It has to be better to eat a locally grown potato - non organic than a foreign organic one. What a waste of fuel. Which is why I use my local greengrocer and not the supermarket. My Gg tries to get things as local as poss and delivers to my door - what more can one ask?
Buying local is really important to me - we need to keep our local communities alive and kicking - driving 15 miles to Morrisons to 'save' a few quid wont do that. I know the biggies have more choice but, are we really any better off because we have 16 brands of beans to choose from? Rolling Eyes
Sarah D

Very lucky here in that I can get organic and local from Manor Farm at Godmanstone, and Rachel's Dairy fromt he milkman. Best of all worlds, and the waxed cartons make excellent soap moulds and soup containers, flower pots, etc Very Happy
JB

Waitrose sell organic milk that they explicitly state is from the UK (somewhere in the southwest but I forget where exactly)
Miff

There are some very interesting facts about the organic milk market here:

http://www.omsco.co.uk/pdfs/media/MarketReportFinal.pdf

One that stood out was that:

"Sales of organic liquid milk have grown consistently at 30% per year up to 2004/05, but have since accelerated dramatically. In the 12 weeks to November 2005, sales had jumped by 91% year on year."

I guess that TV programme (think it was Dispatches) had a big impact.
Fee

Sarah D wrote:
...and Rachel's Dairy fromt he milkman. Best of all worlds, and the waxed cartons make excellent soap moulds and soup containers, flower pots, etc Very Happy


We get Rachel's too, and sometimes the one with Bill Oddie on planting free trees in the local area for every so many cartons you buy...White and Wild I think it's called.

Miff wrote:
There are some very interesting facts about the organic milk market here:

http://www.omsco.co.uk/pdfs/media/MarketReportFinal.pdf


Velly interesting. I never saw that dispatches programme about the milk, I remember you saying about it, I just prefer to be buying organic milk than not...in fact, it's been a long time since we bought anything but organic milk.

Going back to the original question though, I wouldn't even consider buying imported milk and would go for British non-organic over imported organic, however, that article suggests that demand is going to outweigh supply of organic milk if the market trend contines as is expected. Hopefully it'll spur more dairies into becoming organic.
Cathryn

Isn't that typical I have never seen Rachels milk here and we live right next to the farm! I will go and have another look.
wellington womble

We get manor farm from the box schem, but save the cartons, sarah - there was a note that they won't be able to supply them in cartons soon (something to do with the cost of outsourcing the packaging) It's only temporay though, and the plastic bottles make very good soup freezing, sccops and storing all sorts of things which don't fit in coffee jars (porridge oats, and salt and other stuff)

Waitrose do Moo! organic milk, which is UHT UK produced - might be worth looking into for anyone who can't get fresh (I keep it in full cream for custard!)
jamsam

i had the same dilemma, do i buy local or organic???
i soon found that a large percentage of local is organis anyway so i decided to reduce food miles before tackling the world pesticide addiction.
Jonnyboy

Local for me, glass bottles from Pat Mustard the milkman.

Cows are one of the more extensive breeds, so it's not something I worry about too much. Save your cash for organic pork & chicken.
judith

Jonnyboy wrote:
Local for me, glass bottles from Pat Mustard the milkman.


Not falling for that one again Razz
Verminda spirit

I used to have the local milk, until someone kept pinching it from my doorstep!..... Evil or Very Mad .....

Now i just buy milk from my local shop, however they dont have organic....
gingerwelly

I think I must be very lucky been in Wales ... in all the shops and supermarkets there is always welsh milk ( produced and processed in wales) and I know that the milk I buy in Cardiff (if welsh milk) is from below the mid wales line, due to the influence of the welsh assembly people ....and my uncle
gingerwelly

I think I must be very lucky been in Wales ... in all the shops and supermarkets there is always welsh milk ( produced and processed in wales) and I know that the milk I buy in Cardiff (if welsh milk) is from below the mid wales line, due to the influence of the welsh assembly people ....and my uncle
Nanny

i now buy organic milk from the dreaded tesco

i buy it because i do not wish to contribute to the intensive method of milk production that also contributes to the live transportation of day old calves to the continent

i also try and buy organic butter and cheese for the same reason

i can't say if it comes from the continent or not though i read that Yeo valley do send some of their milk to that supermarket and i hope that it finds my way to my fridge


if i could find a more local source of organic milk i would use it but there doesn't seem to be one though we do have the marybelle dairie conglomerate for locally produced milk
hedgewitch

We go with local and are lucky to have it delivered to the doorstep in "proper" glass milk bottles from a farm up the road.

I always go for local over organic, and the semi-skimmed milk we get is richer-tasting and creamier than any full-fat milk we've ever had. My partner (who was possibly a humphrey in a previous life Shocked Rolling Eyes ) will even drink the semi-skimmed straight from the bottle, a pint at a time -- something he'd never do with any other semi-skimmed.

I know we're lucky to have this option, but do go for it when it's available, I'd say...
npsmama

Very interesting topic.

I'm very late contirbuting but still thought I'd join in.

Having tasted supermarket organic there's no way we ever want o have supermarket nonorganic evey again.

I do somethimes buy local non-homogenised but I have 2 problems with it.

1. it goes off very fast
and 2. it retails at 99p for 2 pints. We use about 6 pints a week and I find it hard to spend that amount on milk.
But I feel that I am wrong and stingey thinking like this.
But I can't help thinking I am paying a premium to make up for the disgraceful price supermarkets pays milk producers...

Also, I'll admit I prefer the taste of organic to local!

So now I compromise: I buy local but also buy yeo Valley as my understanding is that it is fairer to farmers - at least i think so and hope so!
Gervase

You may be able to get Calon Wen Welsh organic milk from supermarkets - I know some Tesco's sell it.
ros

Local non-homogenised, delivered 3 times a wk. costs more but comes in glass bottles.

fat milk has proper cream on the top, semi skimmed is nice.

I read somewhere that homogenised milk is not good for you, but I can't remember why, anyone know?
katie

We're lucky enough to have local organic milk delivered in glass bottles.
npsmama

Quote:
We're lucky enough to have local organic milk delivered in glass bottles.


I really envy you!!!

Amazingly, in South east Kent, I have not been able to find anything like this!
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