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Gervase

Moderation

I'm no longer moderating here, so would anyone contacting me about modding issues now address them to the current mods.
As far as I know, they are as follows:
jema,
tahir,
jocorless,
Treacodactyl,
sean,
Snowball,
Bagpuss,
bernie-woman,
alison,
wellington womble,
Behemoth,
Northern_Lad,
judith,
Bernie66,
Simon,
sally_in_wales,
gil,
Cathryn,
Penny,
Jamanda,
Barefoot Andrew.


There is also a group of complaint mods detailed at the top of this thread to whom complaints are meant to be addressed:
Sean
Treacodactyl
Behemoth
Cathryn
Penny


That was as of December 2008, so given the six-month rotation there may well be newer names now, but I'm sure someone will be along to put up the current list if that's wrong.
Treacodactyl

Current list of complaint mods was changed at the end of June so we are still the ones to complain to.
Silas

An up to date list would be nice.
judith

Yours to command. Very Happy

Alison
Bagpuss
Gil
Jamanda
Jema
Judith
Penny
Sally
Sean
Treacodactyl
Wellington Womble
Silas

Thanks. So that is now the full moderating team then?
judith

Yup.
Silas

Wow. A good (or bad) bit of pruning has gone on here then.
Gervase

I do hope the door to the staff room is still on its hinges! Wink
Silas

Errr

BFA is still showing as a mod on my system...?
sean

BFA is an admin because he does techie stuff. The system doesn't distinguish between mods and admins, but our organisation does.
Gervase

Who are the complaint mods now that Cathryn and Behemoth have left? Is the complaints procedure due to change?
judith

Complaints can be addressed to any of the people on that list.
Gervase

Might it not be politic to amend this sticky?
judith

For reasons I can't fathom, the list appears to be correct in that sticky. Confused
Silas

Just reading again the current list, very very sad.

I think that my and some others time on this list is going to be very limited indeed. Its a real shame as many of early members will recall that we joined this site in order to escape the brutal moderation of another site that many of us were members of.
Treacodactyl

Gervase wrote:
Might it not be politic to amend this sticky?


It's the same list and was amended half an hour ago to update a couple of names. Any one of the people would have dealt with or forwarded on a complaint so I don't see any problem. It will be amended in the next day or so with an update once things have been sorted.
Barefoot Andrew

A semi-automated listing of the mod team may be announced at some point soon, without us having to remember to amend this posted list or that posted list.

A.
Gervase

Ah, I must have looked at it before it was updated.
It would help greatly, I feel, to have a generic contact for 'admin' or 'moderator'. Some people may feel reluctant to approach a named individual over an issue, particularly if that individual also posts here and has been outspoken on some issue or another. At least a generic contact would give the semblance of objectivity or disinterest.
Just a thought.
Treacodactyl

They can choose one person from the list. An anonymous contact will just get forwarded to everyone one that list anyway so if anything I would have thought choosing a person would be better.
Barefoot Andrew

Plus there are onstacles with a generic contact - e.g. there's no straight forward way multiple people can access a generic 'mod' account to retrieve PMs and act upon them.
A.
Silas

Treacodactyl wrote:
They can choose one person from the list. An anonymous contact will just get forwarded to everyone one that list anyway so if anything I would have thought choosing a person would be better.


Hmmm..

Of that list, there are only two people who's opinions I put any value on at all. Does not give some of us much choice anyway.

Anyhow, we will see how it goes, but from the PMs I have already had this week from 'the team', things don't look very rosy for me. Laughing
Gervase

Well, it's your train-set. We'll see.
Treacodactyl

At the end of the day not everyone will be happy with any set-up, but I think 99.9% of members don't mind what we have here which I think is acceptable.
Gervase

I would have thought that just those mods who have left in the past month make up rather more than 0.1 per cent of the active membership!
cab

Silas wrote:

Hmmm..

Of that list, there are only two people who's opinions I put any value on at all. Does not give some of us much choice anyway.

Anyhow, we will see how it goes, but from the PMs I have already had this week from 'the team', things don't look very rosy for me. Laughing


Could be worse. I could still be a mod, then you'd be toast Wink

Anyway, just for clarity, do you guys think an updated sticky with the structure of the site (admin, management group, moderation group, 'staff room') may be in order?
Gervase

Let the record show that I agree with cab Wink

ETA: In fact a general cleear-out of the clutter would help. Do there need to be two stickies on how to make links? Some announcements would seem to have passed their useful life.
Silas

cab wrote:
Silas wrote:

Hmmm..

Of that list, there are only two people who's opinions I put any value on at all. Does not give some of us much choice anyway.

Anyhow, we will see how it goes, but from the PMs I have already had this week from 'the team', things don't look very rosy for me. Laughing


Could be worse. I could still be a mod, then you'd be toast Wink

Anyway, just for clarity, do you guys think an updated sticky with the structure of the site (admin, management group, moderation group, 'staff room') may be in order?


Well, actually Cab, despite our very occasiional differences of opinion, I had no problems with you as a mod, and you never tried to 'pull rank'on me no matter just how much we disagreed. What went on in the staff room to which I was not privvy was, of course, another matter Wink
cab

Silas wrote:

Well, actually Cab, despite our very occasiional differences of opinion, I had no problems with you as a mod, and you never tried to 'pull rank'on me no matter just how much we disagreed. What went on in the staff room to which I was not privvy was, of course, another matter Wink


Pull rank? No, but thats never how it worked. In said staff room I did argue in favour of banning you on occasion, if that makes you feel any less nauseous after the recent 'positivity' threads Smile
Barefoot Andrew

Gervase wrote:
ETA: In fact a general cleear-out of the clutter would help. Do there need to be two stickies on how to make links? Some announcements would seem to have passed their useful life.


Some tidying is in hand Wink
A.
Gervase

Although, if it's any consolation, many of us here have been the subject of intense bouts of obscenity and heartfelt pleas for banning in the staff room! Wink
FWIW I think a smaller pool of mods is a good thing, and argued for it when I was one. It helps overcome the feeling that there may be an 'us and them' clique, with the staff room existing almost as a separate forum.
lettucewoman

Silas wrote:
Just reading again the current list, very very sad.

I think that my and some others time on this list is going to be very limited indeed. Its a real shame as many of early members will recall that we joined this site in order to escape the brutal moderation of another site that many of us were members of.


I'm sory silas I don't understand...I read the mod list then went to read the sticky...looks fine to me Question
Silas

cab wrote:
Silas wrote:

Well, actually Cab, despite our very occasiional differences of opinion, I had no problems with you as a mod, and you never tried to 'pull rank'on me no matter just how much we disagreed. What went on in the staff room to which I was not privvy was, of course, another matter Wink


Pull rank? No, but thats never how it worked. In said staff room I did argue in favour of banning you on occasion, if that makes you feel any less nauseous after the recent 'positivity' threads Smile


Have to say that makes me feel so much better. Wink
Silas

Gervase wrote:
FWIW I think a smaller pool of mods is a good thing, and argued for it when I was one. It helps overcome the feeling that there may be an 'us and them' clique, with the staff room existing almost as a separate forum.


Agree 100% with the sentiment.

Pity we couldn't vote them in really.....

Oh, sorry, we went down that road once before.... Laughing
Gervase

lettucewoman wrote:
Silas wrote:
Just reading again the current list, very very sad.

I think that my and some others time on this list is going to be very limited indeed. Its a real shame as many of early members will recall that we joined this site in order to escape the brutal moderation of another site that many of us were members of.


I'm sory silas I don't understand...I read the mod list then went to read the sticky...looks fine to me Question

I think he was referring to the number who were mods but for various reasons are no longer mods, including, in no particular order:
tahir,
jocorless,
Snowball,
Bagpuss,
bernie-woman,
Behemoth,
Northern_Lad,
Bernie66,
Simon,
Cathryn,
Barefoot Andrew
Nick
Mary-Jane
Gervase
Cab
cab

Gervase wrote:
lettucewoman wrote:
Silas wrote:
Just reading again the current list, very very sad.

I think that my and some others time on this list is going to be very limited indeed. Its a real shame as many of early members will recall that we joined this site in order to escape the brutal moderation of another site that many of us were members of.


I'm sory silas I don't understand...I read the mod list then went to read the sticky...looks fine to me Question

I think he was referring to the number who were mods but for various reasons are no longer mods, including, in no particular order:
tahir,
jocorless,
Snowball,
Bagpuss,
bernie-woman,
Behemoth,
Northern_Lad,
Bernie66,
Simon,
Cathryn,
Barefoot Andrew
Nick
Mary-Jane
Gervase
Cab


lowlander
deerstalker
blue peter
Chez

Silas wrote:
Of that list, there are only two people who's opinions I put any value on at all. Does not give some of us much choice anyway.


Why does that matter? Surely moderation is about being fair, even-handed and polite, not what opinions people hold themselves?
dpack

Chez wrote:
Silas wrote:
Of that list, there are only two people who's opinions I put any value on at all. Does not give some of us much choice anyway.


Why does that matter? Surely moderation is about being fair, even-handed and polite, not what opinions people hold themselves?

yep
bagpuss

I am still a mod
Gervase

Oops, sorry!
I know the ideal is that a moderator is fair, even-handed etc, but we all know that real life isn't like that. Personalities are involved, prejudices come to the fore and sides are taken. With a healthy slimming down of the staff, I just thought it would be equally healthy to have a generic moderator email or blind thread to which anyone could post if they had an issue, rather than contact an individual, so that at last the complainant could feel that the issue was depersonalised.
It also seems odd, in a reduced group, to have two mods in the same household, but perhaps that's just me.
Chez

Gervase wrote:
It also seems odd, in a reduced group, to have two mods in the same household, but perhaps that's just me.


What, because they share a brain they keep in a jar, or something? Why does that matter?
Silas

Chez wrote:
Gervase wrote:
It also seems odd, in a reduced group, to have two mods in the same household, but perhaps that's just me.


What, because they share a brain they keep in a jar, or something? Why does that matter?


Actually, I'm with Gervase on this one - it does seem a little inequitable. I see that although Jema is still there, Snowball has disappeared.
Chez

I think that the implication that two people from the same family can't take on purely voluntary roles doing what is sometimes a particularly unpleasant job is a bit off, to be honest. It's not like anyone is looking to create a power-base in the staff-room or anything like that, after all - it's just an internet forum, not the UN!
Gervase

Chez wrote:
Gervase wrote:
It also seems odd, in a reduced group, to have two mods in the same household, but perhaps that's just me.


What, because they share a brain they keep in a jar, or something? Why does that matter?


It's probably just me being old-fashioned; there's a BBC convention that partners don't sit on the same production team where they may have to make decisions on budgets or employment because one might be influenced by the other (hence the furore way back when when Esther Rantzen and Desmond Wilcox worked together), and it's mirrored in a few other areas, too.
Silas

Chez wrote:
I think that the implication that two people from the same family can't take on purely voluntary roles doing what is sometimes a particularly unpleasant job is a bit off, to be honest. It's not like anyone is looking to create a power-base in the staff-room or anything like that, after all - it's just an internet forum, not the UN!


I am sure you are right.
Chez

But obviously not old-fashioned enough to stop you and M-J being on the mod-team together? Wink

ETA @Gervase.
Gervase

Rolling Eyes

















Wink
Chez

Laughing
Behemoth

Does that make Gervase Desomond Wilcox and MJ......Nooooooo.
Chez

That's what our Consumer Survey says ... Laughing
Silas

Well, its just now a much smaller team, which is a GOOD THING as it looks more accountable and less cliquey, but it is, never the less a little odd that some really good people have left leaving a situation where a couple who probably think the same and would probably vote the same (assuming they have voting in the staff room) makes it a bit like a block vote really. Smile
tahir

Silas wrote:
Well, its just now a much smaller team, which is a GOOD THING as it looks more accountable and less cliquey, but it is, never the less a little odd that some really good people have left leaving a situation where a couple who probably think the same and would probably vote the same (assuming they have voting in the staff room) makes it a bit like a block vote really. Smile


As one of the leavers I have absolute confidence in the people left running the site, I hope that we're all behind them. For what it's worth I was probably the main instigator in slimming down the staff room.

I may as well say thanks to all the mods, current and ex for everything they've done for the site, as I never really said so before I left. This was never meant to be an "us and them" site, and I hope it never will be, it's open for anyone to participate in whatever manner they see fit, Downsizer would defintely be a lesser place without the articles, recipes, and social networking, and that's pretty much all down to "ordinary" members.

So shaddapaya face, it's business as normal.
Gervase

Well said, that squirrel!
bagpuss

Silas wrote:
a couple who probably think the same and would probably vote the same (assuming they have voting in the staff room) makes it a bit like a block vote really. Smile


From experience any couples which used to be and still are in the staffroom were as likely to disagree with each other as with anyone else (Not that we disagree of course, its all sweetness and light in there Wink)
Silas

tahir wrote:
Silas wrote:
Well, its just now a much smaller team, which is a GOOD THING as it looks more accountable and less cliquey, but it is, never the less a little odd that some really good people have left leaving a situation where a couple who probably think the same and would probably vote the same (assuming they have voting in the staff room) makes it a bit like a block vote really. Smile


As one of the leavers I have absolute confidence in the people left running the site, I hope that we're all behind them. For what it's worth I was probably the main instigator in slimming down the staff room.

I may as well say thanks to all the mods, current and ex for everything they've done for the site, as I never really said so before I left. This was never meant to be an "us and them" site, and I hope it never will be, it's open for anyone to participate in whatever manner they see fit, Downsizer would defintely be a lesser place without the articles, recipes, and social networking, and that's pretty much all down to "ordinary" members.

So shaddapaya face, it's business as normal.


Well mate, as the person who 'recruited' me to this site in the first place, I am happy to take your word for it - it's a good time to be looking forward, there is no future in the past.
vegplot

Silas wrote:

Well mate, as the person who 'recruited' me to this site in the first place, I am happy to take your word for it - it's a good time to be looking forward, there is no future in the past.


Tahir has a lot to answer for.

The future is often in the past.
Rob R

vegplot wrote:
Silas wrote:

Well mate, as the person who 'recruited' me to this site in the first place, I am happy to take your word for it - it's a good time to be looking forward, there is no future in the past.


Tahir has a lot to answer for.

The future is often in the past.


Indeed. Glad I never took the poisoned chalice Wink
Jonnyboy

If I hadn't resigned I would have locked this thread by now. Wink

Joking aside, slimming down the moderation team is a good idea, hopefully people will give it a chance to work. At the same time our lives and priorities change which is why I decided to move on, seeing as the jonnyboy household will be increasing by +1 in the not too distant future. So there is no reason why the structure and members should not be fluid, one day it may contain none of the original team.

For the record, anyone who thinks they are going to be moderated differently because the structure has changed should remember that the people who started this up did so in part because they wanted a less ''controlled'' environment. If people don't want an RC type forum they can help the mods through this transistion by being extra good, after all, Christmas is almost here! Wink
cab

cab wrote:

Anyway, just for clarity, do you guys think an updated sticky with the structure of the site (admin, management group, moderation group, 'staff room') may be in order?


(yes, I know, replying to my own post; seems to me the only thing obviously missing is the above clarification)
tahir

Jonnyboy wrote:
If people don't want an RC type forum they can help the mods through this transistion by being extra good, after all, Christmas is almost here! Wink


Ooh look, a pig just flew past my window
Barefoot Andrew

@Cab - it's in hand.
A.
judith

cab wrote:
cab wrote:

Anyway, just for clarity, do you guys think an updated sticky with the structure of the site (admin, management group, moderation group, 'staff room') may be in order?


(yes, I know, replying to my own post; seems to me the only thing obviously missing is the above clarification)


It is in progress. Watch this space.
cab

judith wrote:
cab wrote:
cab wrote:

Anyway, just for clarity, do you guys think an updated sticky with the structure of the site (admin, management group, moderation group, 'staff room') may be in order?


(yes, I know, replying to my own post; seems to me the only thing obviously missing is the above clarification)


It is in progress. Watch this space.


Cool.

Although as Gervase agrees with me I feel a peculiar urge to start arguing with myself.
judith

Laughing
Barefoot Andrew

Laughing
A.
Jonnyboy

cab wrote:

Although as Gervase agrees with me I feel a peculiar urge to start arguing with myself.


Interesting, is there a world record for multiple quotations? Wink
Silas

Jonnyboy wrote:
cab wrote:

Although as Gervase agrees with me I feel a peculiar urge to start arguing with myself.


Interesting, is there a world record for multiple quotations. Wink

If there is, I bet I know who holds it...
judith

Do you think the server could take it if he does go for the record? Shocked
Jonnyboy

It would be a fitting end to Downsizer.
judith

Out in one last blaze of glory.

Just give me advance notice so I can hide behind the sofa or get the fire extinguisher ready.
Chez

Jonnyboy wrote:
[size=7]seeing as the jonnyboy household will be increasing by +1 in the not too distant future[/size


Has everyone else missed this? Congratulations! Here are some celebratory little men - although you seem to be growing your own team wav

Wink
Mary-Jane

cab wrote:
...as Gervase agrees with me I feel a peculiar urge to start arguing with myself.


*Meep* Shocked
Silas

Chez wrote:
Jonnyboy wrote:
[size=7]seeing as the jonnyboy household will be increasing by +1 in the not too distant future[/size


Has everyone else missed this? Congratulations! Here are some celebratory little men - although you seem to be growing your own team wav

Wink


Bit over the top just because hes getting a new cat don't you think?
Behemoth

Chez wrote:
Jonnyboy wrote:
[size=7]seeing as the jonnyboy household will be increasing by +1 in the not too distant future[/size


Has everyone else missed this? Congratulations! Here are some celebratory little men - although you seem to be growing your own team wav

Wink


He's always at it. Somehting to do with getting a decent rugby team he said.
Chez

Do they let girls play rugby now? Or cats?
Mary-Jane

Chez wrote:
Do they let girls play rugby now?


We have girls' rugby teams in Cardigan.
Chez

Don't the cardigans get in the way? Why don't BOYS have to wear cardigans when they play rugby?
sean

The current England team would probably be improved by selecting either or both. Rolling Eyes
tahir

sean wrote:
The current England team would probably be improved by selecting either or both. Rolling Eyes


It couldn't get worse
Jo S

Chez wrote:
Don't the cardigans get in the way? Why don't BOYS have to wear cardigans when they play rugby?


MY KEYBOARD!!!!!! Laughing Laughing Laughing
Gervase

sean wrote:
The current England team would probably be improved by selecting either or both. Rolling Eyes

I see them in twinsets personally!
Don't mention the pearl necklaces though...
vegplot

Mary-Jane wrote:
Chez wrote:
Do they let girls play rugby now?


We have girls' rugby teams in Cardigan.


I would have thought they'd flop out too easily.
Chez

Gervase wrote:
Don't mention the pearl necklaces though...


I think that would look lovely. And the cardigan pockets would be just the job to keep a little packet of tissues in.
vegplot

Chez wrote:
Gervase wrote:
Don't mention the pearl necklaces though...


I think that would look lovely. And the cardigan pockets would be just the job to keep a little packet of tissues in.


You'd need them.
bagpuss

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