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pricey

Monitors

Mad As if my evening wasn't bad enough, my monitor has just gone up in smoke, now on SIL's lap top.

So is TFT the way forward? i have been looking at the GNR one on this site, Any good? and I hopefully will get a bit off of that Wink

http://www.rapidpcs.co.uk/
jema

TFTs are far more clear and readable. But colour quality does vary significantly. So if films/photos are your thing you may want to be fussy. Personally I use some bog standard Dells and Digimates, cheapo monitors that do me fine.
Barefoot Andrew

TFTs seconded. I have two CRT monitors on my desk; when their time comes to go to Monitor Heaven I shall switch to flat screens.
A.
Simon

Bummer. Hope you get something sorted soon.
MarkS

check the full size with widescreens - they are often smaller (area) than the same size 'square' ones.

aria usually have good prices.
http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Monitors/
pricey

MarkS wrote:
check the full size with widescreens - they are often smaller (area) than the same size 'square' ones.

aria usually have good prices.
http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Monitors/


Wow some good deals there thanks Mark.
MarkS

dont forget vat and delivery - unless you know someone who can collect it from bolton/manchester....

they also do a service to guarantee no faulty pixels. All tft's have the chance of having a couple of iffy pixels on them - there is an industry standard for what is acceptable (number and position). In general places wont replace a monitor unless it it worse that the guidelines say.
Fee

I've got one of each, a TFT and a CRT, but if or when the CRT crashes and burns, will replace it with a TFT.

TFT is a ViewSonic and would recommend it.
pricey

Tft it is then, going to see my mate first thing and hopefully get a good deal Wink

Fee they do go Pop Bang, and then smoke stinks the house out Laughing
jema

Dell practical giveaway 19" TFTs of decent quality currently.

I also have a 17" posh XEROX TFT going for a song...
pricey

jema wrote:
Dell practical giveaway 19" TFTs of decent quality currently.

I also have a 17" posh XEROX TFT going for a song...


How much is a song? and can you deliver by 10am tomorrow Laughing

you know what these Portuguese are like, stone and blood spring to mind Rolling Eyes
jema

That's the catch really, not sensibly practical to do it. Shame as it is a posh one.
Nick

I have a rake of CRT 15/17 inches going FOC, probably including delivery available. Yell if that's any good.

In the next few days I'm going to Cambridge, Bristol, Liverpool, Yorkshire, Manchester, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Warwick, Oxford and Sandwich.
dougal

Re: Monitors

pricey wrote:
Mad As if my evening wasn't bad enough, my monitor has just gone up in smoke, ...

So is TFT the way forward?
...

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Fee {monitors} do go Pop Bang, and then smoke stinks the house out

The likely thing would have been a capacitor failure. An "elecrolytic capacitor" can fail with a big 'pop', some smoke and a bad (sometimes vaguely fishy) smell.
Reason for mentioning that, is because if that is *all* that has failed, it isn't an expensive bit to replace. You can often find the culprit looking like a small, but burst, tin can. If you can make out the markings, replacing that component could be a cheap fix. (Leave the screen totally unplugged for a day or two and it'll be safe to open it up - the tube is a big capacitor and stores/holds charge, so high voltages can be found even after the thing is switched off.)
However, unfortunately sometimes the resulting power surge when they fail takes out other components - and occasionally (though rather rarely IMHO) they fail because something else had failed. In which case the more complex diagnose and fix probably ain't worth bothering with these days.


Now, important buying consideration.
If you had a (tube-type) "crt" monitor, you would have connected it to your computer using a "VGA" type interface (the plug has 15 pins in three rows).
Some liquid crystal (tft, thin, flat) screens have a vga-type connection.
Not all of them!
There is a different type of connection, called DVI, that gives a fully digital connection between computer and screen. This can give an even sharper picture.
However, unless your computer has a DVI output, a DVI-connect screen would be an embarrassing purchase.
Ideal would be one of the many screens with *both* DVI and VGA connections. They are usually only a couple of quid more, and keep your options as open as possible.
OK there's a third interface you might find called HDMI. Its a digital interface really for HD tv. Your call if its useful to you.
Really big lcd screens (measured in dots, 'pixels', never mind the physical size of the bit of glass in inches or cm) need a dual-link output on the computer's DVI socket to work at their highest resolutions.


A DVI-connected, liquid crystal screen is dramatically sharper (hence better for text readability) than a 'conventional' monitor.
However, liquid crystals generally have a much less subtle, less natural, colour rendering (they have a "smaller colour gamut") - so really really serious graphics pro's will be the last to convert to liquid crystals. And yes, there are great differences between different models of lcd's.

Cheap liquid crystals may have a relatively slow response time (the time to change to a different colouring at a specific dot - most dramatically, the black/white change). Such screens are a poor choice for watching DVDs, playing games, or even watching telly. Motion looks strangely smeary...
However, unless you are bothered by the appearance of scrolling, they can still be an excellent choice for a basic 'admin/web/mail' computer.

Generally lcds use less electrical power than conventional 'crt' monitors.
But they are more delicate - don't poke them, or when transporting them don't let anything press on the screen - the damage can be permanent and economically unrepairable.
The lcd backlight will eventually (in a number of years) go dim. They can be replaced, but maintainability is a feature that seems to have fallen off the bottom of designers' feature lists... Evil or Very Mad
Simon

Re: Monitors

dougal wrote:

The likely thing would have been a capacitor failure. An "elecrolytic capacitor" can fail with a big 'pop', some smoke and a bad (sometimes vaguely fishy) smell.
Reason for mentioning that, is because if that is *all* that has failed, it isn't an expensive bit to replace. You can often find the culprit looking like a small, but burst, tin can. If you can make out the markings, replacing that component could be a cheap fix.


You are a wealth of information Dougal. If like you say, a cap has gone bang then it could be a 'free' fix as I have a mate in Blighty that could post you one. The hardest part is finding the value. It is very unlikely to be marked on the PCB as they usually only state c1.c2 etc. If you can find a twisty bit of plastic in there somewhere you may be able to unrole it and see the value but it's a long shot.
dougal

Its a matter not just of the value, but the rating. Need to see the markings on the dead component.
The part itself should be cheap, but its a soldering job to replace.
And there's no guarantee that just changing the obviously blown bit will deliver a fix.
Worth a try maybe if it was a good monitor, not worth bothering about on something that might be replaced from Freecycle (or Nick) or a local bargain ad. There's a lot of folks 'upgrading' to LCDs, and chucking out their old monitors.
Barefoot Andrew

Re: Monitors

dougal wrote:
The likely thing would have been a capacitor failure. An "elecrolytic capacitor" can fail with a big 'pop', some smoke and a bad (sometimes vaguely fishy) smell.


Ahh.. that takes me back to childhood "electronics sets" and connecting electrolytic capacitors the wrong way round... halcyon days Very Happy
A.
Simon

Re: Monitors

Barefoot Andrew wrote:
Ahh.. that takes me back to childhood "electronics sets" and connecting electrolytic capacitors the wrong way round... halcyon days Very Happy
A.


That's nowt! We used to charge up the big plastic film caps with the megameter and leave them laying around. Twisted Evil

Shoking, truly shocking. Wink
Barefoot Andrew

Bad Simon. Naughty boy.
A.
pricey

Well i finally got one, wow they are great Laughing

opened me old one up and decharged it Laughing Shocked
only to find a melted PCB, not looking good. So i went and saw me mate who did me a good deal on this one, WOW I can see everything, and it's bright and it don't hurt me eye's.
dougal

So, you're back! Very Happy

Don't turn the screen too bright. (For the sake of the eyes, never mind the 'bulb'.)

A good brightness guide for comfortable viewing, is to put a bit of paper alongside the screen, and adjust the screen so that its brightness is something like that of the paper.
Yes, it depends on the ambient light level - but so should the screen brightness!
pricey

dougal wrote:
So, you're back! Very Happy

Don't turn the screen too bright. (For the sake of the eyes, never mind the 'bulb'.)

A good brightness guide for comfortable viewing, is to put a bit of paper alongside the screen, and adjust the screen so that its brightness is something like that of the paper.
Yes, it depends on the ambient light level - but so should the screen brightness!


Good tip thanks mate I was wondering what the correct level was.
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