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Le Loup

My Hunting Gun Of Choice.

Flintock fusil. .62 calibre/20 gauge. 42 inch barrel.




Loads: Birdshot; Swan shot; Round ball. Or a combination of any two of these.
chris123

nice
would love a muzzle loader


chris
Le Loup

nice
would love a muzzle loader


chris


The flintlock is the best survival gun ever made in my opinion Chris.
frewen

I'm going to have to ask why - not that I disbelieve you. I'm just intrigued to know Smile
Le Loup

I'm going to have to ask why - not that I disbelieve you. I'm just intrigued to know Smile


The flintlock is easy to service & repair if you carry a few spare springs & tools. IF you should run out of spare parts (though not likely because these guns are pretty robust), you can easily turn the flint lock into a matchlock & keep using it.
The lock can be used to make fire without using any gunpowder, but at the same time, gunpowder can be used with unprepared tinder to make fire with flint & steel.
A flintlock fusil or musket can digest round ball, bird shot, or swan shot (buckshot), or any combination of two of these together. You do not need to carry cartridges, but you can make cartridges for a smoothbore for faster reloading. Using a ball or bullet board also speeds reloading.
You can regulate how much charge you use IF you were getting low on gunpowder. You do not need to carry weighty reloading gear, all you need is a lead ladle & a ball mould.
Lead ball can be retrieved from shot game & is easily remoulded for use again. This fact means that you can carry less lead & more of the lighter gunpowder.
Apart from the powder horn, you can also carry extra gunpowder (black powder) in a powder bag. When a powder bag is empty of gunpowder, it is used to store spare tinder for fire lighting. Tinder stored in this manner is quick to catch a spark from flint & steel.
IF you were to run out of lead, other objects can be used in a survival situation. As the gun's ignition relies only on a hard sharp rock & a steel, suitable rocks can be found in most places should you run out of flints, but I always carry spares anyway. I think that covers it frewen.
Regards, Keith.
http://woodsrunnersdiary.blogspot.com.au/
frewen

Thanks - that's really interesting Very Happy Le Loup

Thanks - that's really interesting Very Happy
My pleasure frewen.
Keith.
oldish chris

The flintlock is the best survival gun ever made in my opinion. Surviving what exactly? Unemployment? Unexpected illness? Hurricane Sandy? An ice storm? A drought? Or, the even more likely plague of zombies? Treacodactyl

The flintlock is the best survival gun ever made in my opinion. Surviving what exactly? Unemployment? Unexpected illness? Hurricane Sandy? An ice storm? A drought? Or, the even more likely plague of zombies?

As Le Loup is in Australia I bet there's more reason to have something flexible if you're living away from the towns. Even in the UK where you don't seem to be more than half an hour from a supermarket I can see it's use. It would be cheaper to run than many guns and more rewarding to shoot for many. And something you can maintain yourself rather than wait 6 months for a part to be imported would be ideal as well.
dpack

a further good point for such a tool is that a functional propellant can be produced from a variety of substances by rough chemistry

with knowledge most landscapes could provide the raw materials

however in most places learning such skills is illegal as can be as well as being dangerooos deluxe
magnet

muzzleloader

The flintlock is the best survival gun ever made in my opinion. Surviving what exactly? Unemployment? Unexpected illness? Hurricane Sandy? An ice storm? A drought? Or, the even more likely plague of
zombies? why do people feel the need to take the piss? If you've nothing good to say why not say nowt at all.Take a bit of time and listen to this guy you would likley come away the better for it....Magnet Bodger

Not many on the forum shoot or hunt but I agree with what you say.

My chosen weapon for the UK would be my Weiracht .177 air rifle. A bit heavy to carry around but deadly acurate for rabbits, pigeons and squirrels. I daredn't mention catapults and bows, or the Zombies would definately rise from the dead. Laughing
oldish chris

Re: muzzleloader

The flintlock is the best survival gun ever made in my opinion. Surviving what exactly? Unemployment? Unexpected illness? Hurricane Sandy? An ice storm? A drought? Or, the even more likely plague of
zombies? why do people feel the need to take the piss? If you've nothing good to say why not say nowt at all.Take a bit of time and listen to this guy you would likley come away the better for it....Magnet

Educate me, surviving what exactly?
magnet

Bodgers survival gun!!!!

Not many on the forum shoot or hunt but I agree with what you say.

My chosen weapon for the UK would be my Weiracht .177 air rifle. A bit heavy to carry around but deadly acurate for rabbits, pigeons and squirrels. I daredn't mention catapults and bows, or the Zombies would definately rise from the dead. Laughing I must concur i have the hw80 in .22 its heavy yes but when these pcps are gasping for filtered dried air i'll still be filling the pot.
long live the springers!!,btw nice to speak to a kindred spirit. All the best .....Magnet Wink
Le Loup

Re: muzzleloader

The flintlock is the best survival gun ever made in my opinion. Surviving what exactly? Unemployment? Unexpected illness? Hurricane Sandy? An ice storm? A drought? Or, the even more likely plague of
zombies? why do people feel the need to take the piss? If you've nothing good to say why not say nowt at all.Take a bit of time and listen to this guy you would likley come away the better for it....Magnet

Educate me, surviving what exactly?

Any scenario that places you in a situation where you need a firearm or other tool for securing food when away from home/towns/cities long term. If you consider this unlikely or impossible, then my post does not consern you.
Keith.
Le Loup

Not many on the forum shoot or hunt but I agree with what you say.

My chosen weapon for the UK would be my Weiracht .177 air rifle. A bit heavy to carry around but deadly acurate for rabbits, pigeons and squirrels. I daredn't mention catapults and bows, or the Zombies would definately rise from the dead. Laughing

Good choice Bodger, in fact I have a .22 BSA air rifle I bought in the UK. My personal choice is based on what I alone carry/would carry if I could only take one gun. As it is I have family that also has guns, so IF there were a situation where we had to leave home, then all these guns will be coming with us, including the air rifle.
Keith.
Le Loup

Nothing is carved in stone!

I think it is wise to keep an open mind on survival scenarios, AND on where these scenarios may take place. Had you asked me when I was a teenager living in the UK where will you be living in 10 years time, I would have said "right here in my family home in West Sussex". But I wasn't, I was here in Australia.
What if something happens that requires you to leave the country where you live in order to survive. You could end up anywhere. None of us can possiby know what the future holds for us, so keep an open mind.
Regards, Keith.
Bodger

In that case, you've got to have some fishing stuff and preferably, a porter to carry it all. Laughing Le Loup

In that case, you've got to have some fishing stuff and preferably, a porter to carry it all. Laughing

Well because I participate in Historical Trekking, I have all the gear required to survive in most places. It is not really heavy. My knapsack is small compared to modern packs, & I tend to take things out rather than add items. I have been doing this for a lot of years now. I have lived in the country all my life, & have lived in the forest for the past 30 years or so.
dpack

history is the best place to learn what works dpack

to hunt for the pot my choice of long term tool would be bow and if static for a while using traplines of some sort for whatever tastes ok as well

with firearms once the propellant is used it is a metal stick ,springers and pcp are ok ,the girondelle (sp?) is a splendid design as a long term tool and performed well when used to extremes

when metal tools break making the parts can be done in a workshop ,

a springy stick ,a bit of string ,a thin pointy stick and a nasty sharp thing can be made most places ,each can be enough but combine they are better Wink
Treacodactyl

I was thinking traps and snares would be the most useful tools in a real survival situation. Either that or a large elephant gun and a couple of tons of salt. Laughing Actually a large calibre centerfire with 100 rounds or so would keep you in meat for the rest of your life. vegplot

The flintlock makes a lot of sense as an all rounder.

For a survival gun my personal choice would be a .22 Hornet. Big enough for small game yet quiet and low recoil.
carlos-thejackal

you'll need horse and a bucket to catch the horse wee, to make the gun powder...

think I'll just use sainbury's online, for all my emergency needs...
Le Loup

Not many on the forum shoot or hunt but I agree with what you say.

My chosen weapon for the UK would be my Weiracht .177 air rifle. A bit heavy to carry around but deadly acurate for rabbits, pigeons and squirrels. I daredn't mention catapults and bows, or the Zombies would definately rise from the dead. Laughing

I think an air rifle is a good choice Bodger, I have a .22 BSA I brought over from the UK many years ago. The bow is also a good choice for wilderness survival & hunting in general.
Regards, Keith.
Le Loup

Survival Tools.

There is no doubt that the bow is one of the best wilderness survival tools there are, but there are times when you may need something a bit more intimidating. Not that I advocate ever getting into a firefight, but sometimes these things happen.
By using a trap line you can save on powder & lead, & I have the knowledge to make primitive traps & used to run a trap line many years ago. The flintlock is my choice if I can only take one hunting tool. The primitive bow I can make in the field. As it is I am a member of a group, & some members are bow hunters. We also have a selection of modern firearms.
Regards, Keith.
carlos-thejackal

had to edit what I wrote, started to laugh after I posted it.
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