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Treacodactyl

Outbuilding / barn / garage

I'm mulling over options for an outbuilding. Something about the size of a 4-car garage, so either a large garage or small barn.

Ideally I'd like to do much of the building work myself but I'm also aware that it needs to be done properly.

I'm not overly keen on a plain metal building or an OTT grand timber framed number but I had thought about a steel frame, which could be professionally installed, and then the cladding, doors, windows etc could be added by myself.

Has anyone heard of such a thing? A few examples show up in the US but not much here. Any other options?
sean

You could extend the way that our shed's built more or less indefinitely I'd have thought. There's a concrete slab which was here already, uprights go into metal shoes bolted to that. Onduline roofing.
henchard

Built my own in in timber; full details in our blog

http://lizburton.co.uk/wordpress/work-on-the-smallholding/building-a-pole-barn-part-1/

Finished Barn below


Ty Gwyn

That`s not a bad job at all,well done.
onemanband

You looked on ebay ? "steel framed building"

Brand new .......... steel frame to make 30x20foot 1500 40x20 1700

Also a few used ones, mostly (I'm guessing) too high for permitted development ?
Nick

Do you have more than 12 acres, Treac? If so, pretty much, the worlds your oyster.
dpack

how windy is it ? will it need a slab floor ? is the site level or will it need serious ground works?
based on the principle that "stuff" expands to fill the available space is it worth going for the bigger end of the size you think you need ?

is the planned site convenient for water/electric /drainage if required

how much does look outweigh costs?the look of a "industrial"style building can be rapidly improved with paint and /or fast growing plants.

self build is best done using materials and methods you are comfortable with.


there was talk of firms building a free barn in exchange for using the roof for pv panels ,iirc it needs to be near 3 phase mains and might have depended on the good feed in tariffs but it might be worth considering.
Rob R

It might be worth asking around, especially if there are any working farms that have recently been sold off to domestic markets as quite often people will want useful buildings moving and they're often happy to give them away if you're prepared to take them. That's how we've got all of our buildings for the farm.
Treacodactyl

I've not seen any suitable 2nd hand buildings and I'm not worried about planning issues.

I didn't think of ebay, thanks OMB.

I was hoping there would someone selling a steel framed building designed to be clad with timber, something I could get an idea of what to do and prices.

Another option might be a smaller metal garage and I could make my own timber framed workshop.
Ty Gwyn

Surely there must be a steel fabricator in your area who can give you a quote on the size building you need in kit form.
Rob R


I was hoping there would someone selling a steel framed building designed to be clad with timber, something I could get an idea of what to do and prices.


Such as this?
henchard

Surely there must be a steel fabricator in your area who can give you a quote on the size building you need in kit form.


The quotes for my shed from a steel fabricator were around double the cost of building it myself in timber. My 12 x 5m shed (above) cost just over 2K including the groundwork.

All steel frames now have to have a CE mark I believe so the fabricator has to be able to do this.

http://www.bmtrada.com/en-gb/certification/product-certification/ce-marking/structural-steel-ce-marking
gregotyn

I don't know where you are based, but one of my customers makes and another erects steel framed buildings, They are based in West Shropshire. They don't worry how far they have to go, but you would have to have the base area ready. The erector is currently in S. Devon putting one up. But there will be such folks available wherever you are anyway, and they will do as much or as little as you want-just the frame, or frame and roof, or the whole job footings included. Treacodactyl

I don't have the knowledge to ask a local company to fabricate me a frame. There's plenty of companies that make off the peg frames and buildings and a few local ones I'll go an see if I go the whole building route.

I'm just trying to understand what options there are and hopefully get an idea of prices. On that note, thanks Rob, that's the sort of thing I was after.
Ty Gwyn

To be honest,what knowledge do you need?
Other than to ask,How much to fabricate a shed so and so size.
dpack

like any good trades firms ,shed makers should be happy to show you "one they made earlier" .
having a look will give you a good idea of their build standards even as a non expert it is easy to see if welds look tidy ,posts are vertical ,corners square and if it looks strong,pretty or ugly etc etc .

do the doors still fit after a few months is a fairly good test of a structure Wink
alison

How much of a rush are you in.

If not I would go down to the Royal Cornwall show in the Summer, and have a look round there to get started. They have some permanent exhibits there. I would also look at the MVF pin board.
Rob R

I'm just trying to understand what options there are and hopefully get an idea of prices. On that note, thanks Rob, that's the sort of thing I was after.

You're welcome.

I favour the http://www.farmplus.co.uk/ buildings, if I could afford one, we'd have one.
dpack

the cow kennels look like very nice winter quarters Ty Gwyn

Them cow kennels came very popular in the 60`s when dairy herds started expanding,
They looked very smart when erected,
But not so 20yrs later.
Rob R

Them cow kennels came very popular in the 60`s when dairy herds started expanding,
They looked very smart when erected,
But not so 20yrs later.

Aye, but sadly they don't make Crendons any more Sad
Ty Gwyn

Are Atcost still going,not noticed them around either? Rob R

No, but plenty of them around, still. The neighbour has one, and the other neighbour has a single leg of one up (not quite sure why). We've got two Crendons. Ty Gwyn

Your posh up in Yorkshire with 2 Crendons,lol. Rob R

It runs in the family, my dad used to have two, 12 bays in total, 40ft span... gregotyn

You don't need the knowledge, the fabricator will tell you all you need to know about the building, if you tell him the size you want and the type of cladding. He will know far the uprights have to be in the ground for the height you want, and the pitch of the roof you need for the snow to fall off, not in, and what sizes of steel he needs to put in to stop it blowing over. There are 3 men local to me and all are busy, and as far as I know are BS qualified- these boys know their game. And they are all keen to help-part of the service-why?they want your business!
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