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21tournay

Permitted Development Rights for 5 hectares + query

Morning

Does anyone know if you own 1.5 hectares of land and rent grazing land for sheep of around 4 hectares whether that is sufficient to comply with the Permitted Development Rights for agricultural holdings over 5 hectares, or do you have to actually own all the land?

Many thanks in advance.
gil

I think you have to own all the land [could be wrong, though], but yes, if the separate parcels of land add up to 5 hectares, you do fulfil the requirements.
21tournay

gil wrote:
I think you have to own all the land [could be wrong, though],.


Thanks gil Smile

Is there anywhere online I can check this as all the docs I read mention nothing about whether it includes rented land, just a unit amounting to 5 hectares or more - even the farmers guide to planning doesn't make this clear!
RichardW

I think rented is ok BUT once you dont have the agri need the item must be removed so I would guess that once you dont have 5 acres the same would apply.

I think Doc Rob would know for sure.

Richard

PS plant trees there is no min size.
Dr Rob

[quote="RichardW"]I think rented is ok BUT once you dont have the agri need the item must be removed so I would guess that once you dont have 5 acres the same would apply.

I think Doc Rob would know for sure.

Not sure off the top of my head except that a grazing licence (eg 6 months) wouldn't qualify. A full agricultural tenancy might. I'll look it up.
gil

And on that basis, I guess 'grass parks' [round here], which have a 364-day duration, don't count either.
resistance is fertile

My understanding is that rented land that is included as part of your holding size must be well related to the other plot, ie not miles away, and the rental should be of a longer term agreement if, as others have said, you dont want to run the risk of having to remove the facilities down the line.

"Development is not permitted by Class A if the development would be carried out on a separate parcel of land forming part of the unit which is less than 1 hectare in area"

There are still PD rights for holdings of more than 0.4 but less than 5 Ha but more limited in scope, as set out in Part 6 Class B of the GPDO.

Is it buildings you are after?
21tournay

Thanks everyone for your comments.

Dr Rob wrote:
Not sure off the top of my head except that a grazing licence (eg 6 months) wouldn't qualify. A full agricultural tenancy might. I'll look it up.


Would really appreciate that.

Resistance Is Fertile, yes going forward buildings, potentially.

The problem is, maybe, having read you replies is the fact that over 7 acres is owned and a further 6.5 acres rented - so over 12 acres/5 hectares in total but the rented land is a 'gentlemans agreement', longterm yes but nothing on paper....
alpacafarmer

Hi,
my understanding of PD is that for the period of the 28 day, you should have 5 hectares or more and this can be in part owned and part rented, though the piece you intend to build on must meet the minimum size requirements mentioned by the other people here who responded.

There is a really cool book called Field to Farm by David Acreman, and he explains indepth how to use PD to your advantage. You might want to consider downloading the intro to his book to see if it would help you. Its free on this site http://www.fieldtofarm.com (hope its ok to post urls - I am in no way connected to this site - I just bought the book and found it amazing - just wanted to share).

Yours,
Alpaca Farmer
Di Howes

Planning

We have just managed to get planning consent for a barn but had a real struggle. We own just over 6 acres and rent a further 7 acres during the winter months. The planners would not consider the rented land at all. Just did not count! We keep 6 Dexter cows, 5 Kune Kune pigs and piglets at various times of the year, 4 sheep and lambs plus 20 chicken and 7 ducks.

At first they said there was no need for a barn despite a lengthy supporting letter from us explaining it was needed for hay/straw storage, the tractor, topper, etc., plus housing for animals if needed, say for illness, calving/lambing, etc.

After a site meeting and various compromises (on our part!) we did eventually get permission for a steel barn 50ft x 30 ft.

The planning lady had now gone on sick leave because of stress!!!!


Di
clydesdaleclopper

Where are you based? If you are in Scotland there is no 5 hectare limit.
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