bagpuss
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Petition about TuringSomething worthwhile signing I think
We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to apologize for the prosecution of Alan Turing that led to his untimely death
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/turing/
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jema
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I am not sure what the point in all this is?
An apology may in some cases have important symbolic value, but I don't see that here and if you take the view that apologies are needed for every dark age persecution on a person by person basis, then the list would go on practically forever.
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Ian33568
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Agreed that he was a very clever man who's efforts helped us tremendously in the war however, he was just one of many, many gay men who suffered and were persecuted and prosecuted because of their sexuality. Sadly something that still happens throughout the world. They say times have changed - only for a few.
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Ian33568
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More information here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8226509.stm
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JB
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I'm with Jema on this. Retrospective apologies for events, that in current thinking, were wrong are just so much nonsense. If someone apologises for an offence that they didn't commit and which occured when they weren't born by people who were following what was perecived at the time to be the correct course of action and so if they were in a position to apologise they would not do so ... then exactly how much value does such an apolgy have.
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Jamanda
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I'm afraid I agree. Who was PM at the time? Churchill?
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bagpuss
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I guess in this case an apology to a specific persion goes someway to acknowledge the horrible way many homosexual men were treated at that time
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Ian33568
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Churchill it was. As for a symbolic gesture - for what reason and for who? Channelling efforts into current issues of persecution might have more impact (IMHO).
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jema
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| bagpuss wrote: | | I guess in this case an apology to a specific persion goes someway to acknowledge the horrible way many homosexual men were treated at that time |
I can see that argument on one level, but on another level it seems odd, does it in fact say sorry we persecuted someone as useful as Turing, but sod you if you weren't famous?
What about other issues such as the massive persecution of single mothers? Did any of them ever get "worthy" another to deserve and apology?
I am not totally against apologies, I think it is right that current leaders acknowledge the past, and in some cases recognise they have a responsibility to make good on those crimes.
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Jonnyboy
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I thought it was a symbolic apology, I quite like the idea of it.
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JB
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Is it possible to meaningfully apologise on someone else's behalf? without their knowledge? when they're dead?
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Jonnyboy
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It's interesting that the split of signatories is predominantly men (from the sample shown). Maybe people see it as a way to comment on ongoing prejudice?
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jema
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| Jonnyboy wrote: | | I thought it was a symbolic apology, I quite like the idea of it. |
There is no harm to it, but where does this sort of thing go? If Gordan decides that running the economy is more important that this sort of thing, does he get denounced as a homophobe?
To me this sort of thing takes gay rights in the wrong direction, making targets of people who are almost certainly on the right side of the fence if they don't comply with whatever the latest "thing" is.
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Hairyloon
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| JB wrote: | | Retrospective apologies for events, that in current thinking, were wrong are just so much nonsense. |
If people really want to make amends for the past, they should track down the fortunes made by the slave trade and redistribute some of it.
I'll wager that many of the fortunes made then are still high on the list of the stinking rich now.
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Nick
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| Hairyloon wrote: | | JB wrote: | | Retrospective apologies for events, that in current thinking, were wrong are just so much nonsense. |
If people really want to make amends for the past, they should track down the fortunes made by the slave trade and redistribute some of it.
I'll wager that many of the fortunes made then are still high on the list of the stinking rich now. |
Like most British and American people, for example.
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Emyr
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I think this is a small step towards the posthumous knighthood some have been seeking for Turing; He probably contributed more to the country than Siralan or Clive Sinclair did, but his "criminal record" was a bit of a stumbling block.
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Aeolienne
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Is there a precedent for a posthumous knighthood? After all, you don't get posthumous Nobel prizes (but maybe that's because AN specifically ruled them out in his last will and testament).
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