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dpack

plumbers and i use the term very generously...

sometimes really annoy me .when i got up to find a note from sd mentioning the flood in the kitchen after she used the shower i expected it to be a minor job (sealant etc etc ) .it was not to be.

having removed all the bath and shower tray panels i can see the problem which is the cowboy that installed i decade or more ago who

A used super cheap pipe and fittings

B failed to cut the pipes the correct lengths

C managed to get a few mm of pipe into each end and failed to secure those in any meaningful way

D failed to use any clips or other support for 2 m horizontal pipe run

E probably got several other things wrong (that i aint found and fixed yet although i have redone most of his work over the last few years ,the kitchen was special and the kitchen electrics were criminal)

i could try and do remedial stuff to the bits that are there but im going to do a proper job with good materials used well.this is not as simple as it seems cos i dont want to take the bath and shower out to get the plumbing in but if i cant work out a sneaky clever way to do keyhole surgery on it i might have to.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

i feel a bit better for sharing Rolling Eyes
Behemoth

Been there. Drainage is now definitely something I do myself.
dpack

F the screw on the shower trap had not even been finger tightened which made it easier for the sagging pipe to escape Rolling Eyes

G i wont mention that if the pipe had been threaded though the upstand of the bath before the bath went in it would have been supported and in a strait line rather than both bent and saggy.oops i did Mad

what i find both odd and annoying is it is usually easier,quicker and taking labour into account cheaper and more profitable to do plumbing (and almost all other construction jobs)properly .

the cheap trap on the shower should be an anti syphon one (an extra couple of£ ) but as i would have to take the shower tray out (and retile the shower ) to even unfit the existing one it will have to stay gurgly,grrrr

sorry to rant but it is a good example of making sure you pick a tradesperson well or find out how to do it properly and diy the job.

anyway tis waterproof again so the bath and shower can be used but i might do it properly before i put all the panels back and my kitchen recently restored ceiling will dry out eventually.
BahamaMama


it is a good example of making sure you pick a tradesperson well or find out how to do it properly and diy the job..


Sorry to hear this dpack - water-related incidents are grim.

The tricky thing is how to know you have a decent tradesman....
Tavascarow

& I bet he charges £70.00 an hour. At least that's what the local plumber charges. & that's his day rate, emergencies cost a whole lot more.
I encourage all children to take up a trade, you will never be hungry.
Don't become a doctor or a nurse, there's no money in human plumbing.
They are vocations not career choices.
dpack


it is a good example of making sure you pick a tradesperson well or find out how to do it properly and diy the job..


Sorry to hear this dpack - water-related incidents are grim.

The tricky thing is how to know you have a decent tradesman....

i am Laughing this stuff was done before i met tt.
dpack

& I bet he charges £70.00 an hour. At least that's what the local plumber charges. & that's his day rate, emergencies cost a whole lot more.
I encourage all children to take up a trade, you will never be hungry.
Don't become a doctor or a nurse, there's no money in human plumbing.
They are vocations not career choices.

for a decent job his prices were quite reasonable ,it is the decent job bit that was missing from the equation .
Mistress Rose

Finding a good plumber or other tradesman is difficult, particularly when they now learn 'on the job' or just do a bit of training for a few weeks. Although husband never trained as a plumber, a friend of ours always got him to do her plumbing as well as her electrics (for which he was fully trained), and he solved her leaking bath when nobody else could. Simple as putting a bit of mastic behind the overflow fitting. jettejette

I sympathise, dpack. We had a leaky shower when we bought our house due to cowboy plumbing. Fortunately, like you, hubby can do basic things himself. Which goes to show that it was basic things which weren't done correctly in the first place. dpack

when i ran a refurbishment company about a third of our work was remedial to put right cowboy jobs.

among the seemingly improvement/modernisation jobs about half involved putting right something that had been done extremely badly

it is amazing the damage a minor cowboy job can cause ,the issues that a water source from plumbing or weatherproofing botch are often a thousand times more expensive than the original job ,"dry" rot is a good example(nice little earner/loadsamoney)

unless electrics have been done recently ,properly and throughout to 17th ed regs there is a good chance that it has been done "one piece at a time" and /or extremely badly and is best removed and replaced as finding un terminated lead sheathed cable in a wall when hanging a picture or replastering(see above) or that a unsupported cable behind a kitchen unit (with added kinks) has half burned through is a surprise nobody needs.

it isnt a modern problem i have fixed stuff done by georgian cowboys(a lack of foundations was an 18 c speciality )

etc etc .
Hairyloon

for a decent job his prices were quite reasonable ,it is the decent job bit that was missing from the equation .
If there is a lot of it that is below par, you should consider sending him a bill for remedial work...
dpack

for a decent job his prices were quite reasonable ,it is the decent job bit that was missing from the equation .
If there is a lot of it that is below par, you should consider sending him a bill for remedial work...

i prefer the option of honest reviews get results. the kitchen wires were shown to a nice chap we know who happens to be head of trading standards along with a short list of about 5 other jobs we know that chap has done .

tis a small town hidden in a city Mad Twisted Evil and quite a lot of potential clients and contractors now know him by his works Laughing
Mistress Rose

The first house we had had some interesting Victorian work. The builders didn't know too much about slate damp courses, so only had one layer of slate, rather than 2 separated by a brick, and as far as we could see, the missing bricks in the fire wall between us and the next house in the terrace were an original design feature. cassandra

D Pack, I like your style. Laughing Lorrainelovesplants

Indeed - nothing worse for business than a customer who can detail all your epic fails. dpack

i have seen some truly dreadful things a few classics include :

being called to a chap's house to discover a bloke in a suit and wellies removing a chimney from the fireplace up.
lots of scaff boards and acrows and strict instructions to call a structural engineer as i left forever,i didnt want to do it.

a 3 story gable end on a downward slope sitting on 3 m of clay with a couple of little streams coming out of it after somebody decided to make a nice driveway to park their car.
more scaff tube than i have ever put in a 7 m long triangle braced to the foundations of his house to stop the thing collapsing.the structural engineer examined it from a safe distance and recommended 25 tons of concrete and a lot of rebar. i left them to it at that point.

more leaks than wales Laughing including many causing serious rot issues.they are a nice earner.
drains that end under the lawn or basement.

horrible electrics ranging from potentially deadly to "i know it looks a charred mess but the walls are still solid and yes we can fix it so long as the loss adjuster thinks it is better to fix it than put what is left in a skip and build a new house"

horrible gas ranging from potentially deadly by fume or explosion

etc etc etc

imho even if you dont have the skills or tools for the job it is easy to find out how it should be done and make sure that it is done properly Wink
sean

I didn't see it but a plumber who I trust told me he'd gone to do some work at someone's house and found a gas fire mounted on the inside of the kitchen door which had been connected to the gas using a rubber tube so that they could swing the dor open and use it as a patio heater as well as for warming the kitchen. Shocked dpack

Rolling Eyes mousjoos

I didn't see it but a plumber who I trust told me he'd gone to do some work at someone's house and found a gas fire mounted on the inside of the kitchen door which had been connected to the gas using a rubber tube so that they could swing the dor open and use it as a patio heater as well as for warming the kitchen. Shocked

win win
dpack

tis now dried out enough to have been put back together with only a little cursing cos the carpet gripper managed to do it's legendary mini iron maiden thing yet again Mad

with a bit of adjustment at the far end i managed to have 75% of enough pipe into each fitting and by actually doing the compression joints to hand tight plus a quarter turn all seems solid and waterproof.the saggy pipe is wedged between wall and bath stand with a bit of wood.

not ideal but an improvement from washing the kitchen floor.

at least it is only bathroom/kitchen/plumbing and some electrics as the structural stuff like the knock through and loft conversion was done by real builders Laughing

remedial on structural is a job i only ever want to do for money.
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