| Archive for Downsizer For an ethical approach to consumption |
| MarkS |
quick pistol questionsI know next to nothing about guns, so a couple of quick questions.If one were to be looking to cull a politician, using a revolver and silencer/suppressor what would be the optimum weapon? Why? Are pistols rifled? How quickly do the bullets spin? What ammunition would be best and what consequences? For a work of fiction (homework) - any connection with government officials living (for the moment) is pure coincidence.... honest 
Apparently Kafka wrote 'The door opened a crack. A revolver appeared and an outstretched arm.' I have to write a couple of pages starting with this line. |
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| Jonnyboy |
Silencers don't work properly with revolvers, you'll need a semi auto. | ||||
| MarkS |
How badly do they not work?
I was thinking that since the opening line is Kafka I would write from the point of view of the bullet or the gun, hence the 'technical' questions. |
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| Behemoth |
Why not the door? | ||||
| Jonnyboy |
I think the gap between the frame and the chamber allows gas and hence noise to emerge.
Kafka - you can talk about the random chance that caused that particular bullet out of the six in the chamber to be fired.
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| Northern_Lad |
Probably best to google it.
I assume that they don't work becauseof the physical arrangement: revolvers have a section at the back that, well, revolves. This isn't particularly solis as it needs to rotate. Pistols have a spring mechanism to 'pop' the next bullet into the chamber. The body of the gun spings back with the firing, releasing the cartridge and letting the next one pop in. As to your riffling question: I believe all modern 'explosive' firearms are riffled. Probably your best way to do it is pick a specific gun and find out what's what with it. |
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| Northern_Lad |
Russian Routette Assasination? |
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| Northern_Lad |
don't be daft; doors can't be rifled. |
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| Behemoth |
Seems to me the door is being used and implicated in the act but is getting no consideration or appreciation. In fact the humble door has now become something to fear due to the unknown assailant behind it.
Russian Tourettes is an idea to toy with. |
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| MarkS |
but drawers can. but I like the russian roulette assasin 
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| whitelegg1 |
If it's a revolver. Make it a Nagant M1895.
I would find an appropriate link, but they don't allowed 'gun' website at work!! Apparently silencers DO work with this one! Pete 
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| KILLITnGRILLIT |
Yes they are rifled with a slow twist rate and the ammunition would need to be subsonic as the "sound moderator", as we of the PC brigade call them, would n`t work as the bullet would be breaking the sound barrier and therefore negating the use of said mod.
A flat nose bullet or a dum-dum would work well and be spectacularly messy but I believe there are flat nosed bullets that are filled with fluid(can`t remember what though) in which there are lead shot, so that when the bullet is fired it flings the shot to the rear of the bullet and when the bullet hits the body and starts to de-form the shot fly forward and burst through the nose like an explosive force. I imagine it would be similar to what we use for vermin, the ballistic tipped bullets, they have a plastic tip which fills the hollow nose of the bullet and when this strikes the body the plastic tip deforms the bullet very fast making it mushroom as it passes into the body cavity and causing heavy trauma and hydraulic shock. The idea with any projectile is to get it to expend enough or all energy inside the animal(or human I suppose) and give a fast kill. Try the beretta site... http://www.berettausa.com/product/product_pistols_main.htm |
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| dpack |
a hollowed round with a mercury internal load makes a mess even at sub sonic velocity from a .45 or such with a suppressor , this would be a reasonable tool (or .22 head shot .twice  )
stuff subtlety , ak47 work is reliable for subtle knife or poison is best hope that helps
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| Gervase |
Glycerine can be substituted for mercury - particularly if the rounds are not going to be used quickly, when the mercury can form a solid amalgam with the lead core. Not quite as 'explosive' but still messy.
Simplest of all, though, is a hollow point. |
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| Jonnyboy |
Has this thread exceeded it's survivalist geek quota yet? | ||||
| Gervase |
I think we need a photograph of lots of unnecessary knives and axes before we can even think of that! | ||||
| Jonnyboy |
question a) are you posting this from underground/your mums house?
question b) Do you have a poster of sylvester stallone on your wall? question 3) when you go to sainsburys how many knives do you have on you? (choose from 2,4 or 7) |
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| sean |
Surely the answer to question 3 is: None, I'm going to take them all down with my sniper's rifle from a position of concealment. | ||||
| Jonnyboy |
T'was a trick question. | ||||
| Brownbear |
I don't think this topic is in the best of taste. | ||||
| MarkS |
fair enough.
I went with a less technical bent in the end, should not offend anyone. But thanks v.much for all the info - I may well use it elsewhere The door opened a crack. A revolver appeared and an outstretched arm. The fingers flexed gently, the revolver settling in the hand. The ormolu clock on the mantle began to chime. M.Balinozov, director of the department of state industry continued reading. The reported output of the third ukranian stakhanite hero of the republic iron mine seemed inconsistent with the ore delivery at Kurkusk. As the third stroke chimed the hammer of the revolver drew back, the knuckle whitening with strain. Steam rose gently from a fine dresden teacup. As the fourth stroke rang out M. Balinozov turned the page. Agents reported unrest at all stages from the mine to the port. Or so the security service chose to inform him. The hand trembled slightly and then steadied. fifth stroke. Other agents reported interference in lading from the state security department. M.Balinozov did not hear the click as the hammer fell. The remaining chimes were accompanied by no similar excitements. The revolver withdrew as noon completed its annunciation. Eighteen minutes later an aide retrieved a tattered tarot card from the doorway of the office. |
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| SheepShed |
Ah, so the revolver was just a red herring - he actually bashed him over the head with a hammer
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| KILLITnGRILLIT |
Critique, not if you want to hit the auld fella ! |
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| MarkS |
Everyone's a critic We go on to a sequence of 'hits' with the russian roulette theme - note it doesn't actually say that the gun fires.
Seriously though, I do appreciate the answers from everyone. (although anybody with a Tom Lehrer sig cant really pass judgement) |
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| MarkS |
Took me a minute to find the lyrics - although I seem to remember that all 'cow ' references should be pure-bred gurnsey
Almost every day during the hunting season you see at least one item in the newspapers about somebody who has shot somebody else, under the impression that he was a deer with a red hat perhaps, maybe a large flesh-colored squirrel. at any rate, it seems to me that this marks an encouraging new trend in the field of blood sports, and deserves a new type of hunting song which I present herewith I always will remember 'Twas a year ago november I went out to hunt some deer On a mornin' bright and clear I went and shot the maximum the game laws would allow Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a cow I was in no mood to trifle I took down my trusty rifle And went out to stalk my prey What a haul I made that day I tied them to my fender, and I drove them home somehow Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a cow Instant Song Lyrics The law was very firm, it Took away my permit The worst punishment I ever endured It turned out there was a reason Cows were out of season And one of the hunters wasn't insured People ask me how I do it And I say, "there's nothin' to it You just stand there lookin' cute And when something moves, you shoot!" And there's ten stuffed heads in my trophy room right now Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a pure-bred guernsey cow |
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| sean |
Depends on whether it's the live or studio version. |
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| KILLITnGRILLIT |
**M.Balinozov did not hear the click as the hammer fell. **
Must be mutton then................................ I SAID HE MUST BE MUTTON !! |
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| JB |
Re: quick pistol questions
Easy. Just tell the local rags that you local politician was found with a revolver and silencer. Has the advantage that you can't be prosecuted, you don't even need to spend any money on a weapon and as owning anything more offensive than a video of Simon Cowell criticising someone will have you transported to the colonies for life there's no need to do anything more. |
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| MarkS |
Oh. Loud then? rethink needed. 
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