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Nick

Raised beds

Now I’m 50 and can see death ahead, apparently I have to grow spinach. Or something.

I’ve acquired a very large stack of scaffolding boards to create some raised beds. Should I treat the boards? I don’t mean buying them dinner and such. They’re bare timber as far as I can tell. So. They’ll likely rot. What does the hive mind suggest? For treatment. Not for my sunset years.
gz

If you treat them you then have to line them.....just make the beds and accept that you will have to redo them sometime
tahir

As gz says, you could use a membrane of some kind or just replace as necessary
Nick

Path of least resistance. Maybe they’ll out last me.
dpack

scaff plank is pre treated, usually with hardcore preservatives

i use 1000gm/m visqueen as a liner, some use pond liner

poke a few holes in the base of the liner for drainage but keep soil and timber separate
Mistress Rose

Even oak will rot, so just accept that you will have to replace them every so often.

If you are only 50 you are a mere whippersnapper. Gardening is one of those things that you can do at any age; we started on our own account when we got our first house in our early 20s and have been gardening ever since.
Nick

scaff plank is pre treated, usually with hardcore preservatives

i use 1000gm/m visqueen as a liner, some use pond liner

poke a few holes in the base of the liner for drainage but keep soil and timber separate


These look like bare Timber. They’re BS2482 boards, which doesn’t specify treatment and I’d guess the manufacturer would shout about it if they were treated.
dpack

just checked the spec, they do seem to be untreated

raw= a few years
treated+liner=15 yrs plus
Nick

H&S Dpack will be pleased to know I stopped using the powered rip saw and jigsaw when I could no longer feel my fingers in the cold.

I’m going for no treatment and a few years of life. If I decide to treat them it’ll cost more time now and I’ll find something more exciting to do. Like watch the treatment dry.
dpack

Laughing
sgt.colon

I lined mine with pond liner and then treated the outside of the boards with creosote. Then I topped the boards with creosote treated pallet wood.


dpack

nice
tahir

Looks very smart
sgt.colon

Thanks guys. Smile
Nick

Yeah. Won't be sharing mine. Very Happy
dpack

they will show on the aerial photorecon eventually, whatever they look like they will be nicer than bending, vermin etc

i saw my runner beans on a very early version of google earth Laughing
Shan

I'd go for sleepers and lining but then I'm a lot younger than Nick. Cool
sgt.colon

Yeah. Won't be sharing mine. Very Happy


Laughing Laughing Come one Nick, you know sharing is caring. Very Happy
Nick

Heh. I shifted six tons of topsoil and compost today. sean

I have none, as gardening is for Other People, but the fields around me (spuds)have never looked quite so healthy so I'm anticipating a great commercial crop too.

Comes to us all in the end.
sgt.colon

Heh. I shifted six tons of topsoil and compost today.

It's now tomorrow and inquiring minds want to know, can you move at all? Very Happy
Nick

Heh. I shifted six tons of topsoil and compost today.

It's now tomorrow and inquiring minds want to know, can you move at all? Very Happy

Sure. I used a tipping trailer. Not a shovel. Duh.
Nick

I have none, as gardening is for Other People, but the fields around me (spuds)have never looked quite so healthy so I'm anticipating a great commercial crop too.

Comes to us all in the end.
Jesus. Bored?
sean

I have none, as gardening is for Other People, but the fields around me (spuds)have never looked quite so healthy so I'm anticipating a great commercial crop too.

Comes to us all in the end.
Jesus. Bored?

I'm like facebook memories for Downsizer.
Nick

I have none, as gardening is for Other People, but the fields around me (spuds)have never looked quite so healthy so I'm anticipating a great commercial crop too.

Comes to us all in the end.
Jesus. Bored?

I'm like facebook memories for Downsizer.

Worst Tinder bio in the world.
sean

Can't help it. I just remember everything. It's a blessing and a curse. Shan

Laughing dpack

my next compost foray is a few bags in the wood shed

i do not expect any wildlife Rolling Eyes

there is the small issue of quite a bit of strong chilli used as area denial Embarassed
Mistress Rose

That might be a problem, either for you or the plants grown in the compost. I would suggest a mask in case of disturbance and goggles too. Not sure what the plants will make of it. Very Happy dpack

plants are fine with chilli, so were the vermin the last time Rolling Eyes Mistress Rose

I am surprised plants will tolerate strong chilli, as I would have thought it would burn tender seedlings or inhibit seeds from growing. Slim

It doesn't even bother birds. It evolved specifically to irritate mammals! dpack

a neat way to make chums with a parrot or macaw is to give it a big strong hot chilli Laughing sgt.colon

It doesn't even bother birds. It evolved specifically to irritate mammals!

And apparently humans are the only mammals that enjoy the burn.
Mistress Rose

How odd. Personally I don't, and can't tolerate it. Shan

I am addicted. Embarassed Nick

Yeah. Won't be sharing mine. Very Happy

Laughing Laughing Come one Nick, you know sharing is caring. Very Happy


2 of six. Still being filled with a mixture of domestic compost, manure, bought in compost and soil.

Each bed is 13 foot long, roughly 2 foot high and 4.5 foot wide. Steel tubes inside some of them to provide anchor sites for blue pipe for mesh or polythene, or bamboo/willow for beans and such.
Shan

I'd line the sides so you don't have soil escaping between the board gaps - believe me, they get bigger with time... or maybe, that's just J's carpentry.... dpack

nice Nick

I'd line the sides so you don't have soil escaping between the board gaps - believe me, they get bigger with time... or maybe, that's just J's carpentry....

Yeah, it's on the list of things to do. I think just a double layer of polythene (it's not thick), stapled there should last long enough.
dpack

out of uv from sunlight polythene is pretty stable if you dont poke it

owt over 250 gm will do fine for liners

about as thick as a cheap sous vide bag is an odd measurement but perhaps explanatory

polythene 500 gm has done my sides liner for the raised border thing for 12 years, it will probably see me out , overkill

or it won't matter as i am developing a cornish bank Laughing

as your wood is untreated is a liner required?

i only use them if the wood is deliberately toxic to separate it from the soil, liners do not reduce and sometimes encourage rot in untreated wood( a scorching with a blowtorch (or other more amusing means) is fun and good practice with naked untreated wood, the tars and resins from toasted softwoods with fewer "splinters" repels water and vermin, and it is cheap and fun to do)

under engineer cleverly, if a bit of soil escapes so what?

on balance i would not go for liner unless the "container" was toxic timber
Nick

The alternative quick and simple plan is I’ve some pine cladding type boards and some lengths of decking. Nailed over the joints on the outside would solve both issues.

I need another trailer load of compost anyway so no rush.

Local place allows you to turn up with *any* trailer. £20 for a large one, £10 for a small one. They laughed at my SiL and filled it for free because it was only 8x5. Big recycling place and it’s cash for the operatives, apparently. Either way, it’s good stuff of slightly alkaline and a little low on nitrogen according to the experts at the local allotments. I have tons of horse shit and fermenting hay, which is apparently the answer. We shall see.
Treacodactyl

I feel a tad inadequate. I only have one bath laying about the garden and that's far more rusty. Shan

I'm slightly curious as to how he ended up with so many bath tubs lying around? Nick

We have four Smile

One came from our bathroom during a refit. The others are handy pig troughs, runner bean beds and such. They’ve just ... accumulated. I’m particularly fond of the avocado one.
Shan

How do they just accumulate? It's not like they breed or charge about in herds or flocks... Slim

You haven't even bothered to turn one into a redneck hot tub? Nick

You haven't even bothered to turn one into a redneck hot tub?

Possibly my biggest achievement in lock down was getting running water to the property.

As for a hot tub, the wife would kill for one. I can’t imagine anything worse.

I’ve seen IBCs used as one. Classic. Smile


As for baths. Farmers tend to save them as water troughs as they get thrown out or whatever. The field three down from us had loads in. We ... acquired a couple when the original owner did a bunk for tax evasion.
Mistress Rose

You might find those beds are a bit wide to work easily from the sides. We started with beds about that size, but have reduced the width to about 1m so that it is easier to reach the middle, otherwise you have to stand on the bed, or get a bit of a hollow in the middle when you are trying to dig from the sides. sgt.colon

Looking good Nick. I like how you have roped the dog in to helping as well. Very Happy

Have you decided what you are going to grow in them?
Slim

You think he's just suddenly taking up an interest in growing in raised beds?
Clearly they're that large to hide bodies in. Hence the dog coming to check out odors before they're fully masked by compost
Nick

You think he's just suddenly taking up an interest in growing in raised beds?
Clearly they're that large to hide bodies in. Hence the dog coming to check out odors before they're fully masked by compost

No. This is wrong. A LIE.

My kids have left home. And decided not to take their phones with them. That's what happened.
Nick

Looking good Nick. I like how you have roped the dog in to helping as well. Very Happy

Have you decided what you are going to grow in them?

Well. Beans (runners and French), peas, onions, sweetcorn, red cabbage and rocket were winners last year. I've added in beetroot, leeks and pak choi into the mix so far. Also some spuds for one of the heavier beds, to break it up a bit. And strawberries and cut flowers in one. Baths get used for sweetpeas, successfully. Plus the asparagus bed, and I appear to have bought, on Shan's hearty reccomendation, some Jerusalem Artichokes. They'll go in a bath, too, I suspect. Last time I planted them we got rid of them eventually, by selling the house.

Greenhouse is for tomatoes and chillies. My usual supplier has let me down this year, so I'm having to plant my own.


ETA. Obviously, I’ll be planting far too many courgette plants.
Nick

You might find those beds are a bit wide to work easily from the sides. We started with beds about that size, but have reduced the width to about 1m so that it is easier to reach the middle, otherwise you have to stand on the bed, or get a bit of a hollow in the middle when you are trying to dig from the sides.

Yeah, they're about the widest we can easily manage, but I also have a handy pair of planks that can sit over, as a bridge if needed. We ran one double length bed last year, I've just added several more similar (actually, slightly narrower).
Shan

Looking good Nick. I like how you have roped the dog in to helping as well. Very Happy

Have you decided what you are going to grow in them?

Well. Beans (runners and French), peas, onions, sweetcorn, red cabbage and rocket were winners last year. I've added in beetroot, leeks and pak choi into the mix so far. Also some spuds for one of the heavier beds, to break it up a bit. And strawberries and cut flowers in one. Baths get used for sweetpeas, successfully. Plus the asparagus bed, and I appear to have bought, on Shan's hearty reccomendation, some Jerusalem Artichokes. They'll go in a bath, too, I suspect. Last time I planted them we got rid of them eventually, by selling the house.

Greenhouse is for tomatoes and chillies. My usual supplier has let me down this year, so I'm having to plant my own.

You're 'special'. I wouldn't wish them on anyone else. Laughing
Nick

Looking good Nick. I like how you have roped the dog in to helping as well. Very Happy

Have you decided what you are going to grow in them?

Well. Beans (runners and French), peas, onions, sweetcorn, red cabbage and rocket were winners last year. I've added in beetroot, leeks and pak choi into the mix so far. Also some spuds for one of the heavier beds, to break it up a bit. And strawberries and cut flowers in one. Baths get used for sweetpeas, successfully. Plus the asparagus bed, and I appear to have bought, on Shan's hearty reccomendation, some Jerusalem Artichokes. They'll go in a bath, too, I suspect. Last time I planted them we got rid of them eventually, by selling the house.

Greenhouse is for tomatoes and chillies. My usual supplier has let me down this year, so I'm having to plant my own.

You're 'special'. I wouldn't wish them on anyone else. Laughing

They are the vegetable that keeps on giving. Louise will enjoy them immensely.
dpack

Laughing

bath tubs are ace, beds or troughs or dark cloches for forcing asparagus to give the white blanched delicate version

good for cave rhubarb as well

done hillbilly hot tub, i preferred the sauna/spring combo but a soak in warm water in a blizzard was rather nice

that was direct heating of a steel bath with a tray fire and a plank to sit on as the base got a bit warm or the water got cold

i have seen them made by using a central heating radiator over a fire and convection heating via plughole and overflow which allows for using plastic ones as well as metal ones

naked in a pot with a fire under it, in a blizzard does not sound relaxing but it is oddly pleasant Laughing
Shan

Looking good Nick. I like how you have roped the dog in to helping as well. Very Happy

Have you decided what you are going to grow in them?

Well. Beans (runners and French), peas, onions, sweetcorn, red cabbage and rocket were winners last year. I've added in beetroot, leeks and pak choi into the mix so far. Also some spuds for one of the heavier beds, to break it up a bit. And strawberries and cut flowers in one. Baths get used for sweetpeas, successfully. Plus the asparagus bed, and I appear to have bought, on Shan's hearty reccomendation, some Jerusalem Artichokes. They'll go in a bath, too, I suspect. Last time I planted them we got rid of them eventually, by selling the house.

Greenhouse is for tomatoes and chillies. My usual supplier has let me down this year, so I'm having to plant my own.

You're 'special'. I wouldn't wish them on anyone else. Laughing

They are the vegetable that keeps on giving. Louise will enjoy them immensely.
Self generated tub bubbles?
Nick

Looking good Nick. I like how you have roped the dog in to helping as well. Very Happy

Have you decided what you are going to grow in them?

Well. Beans (runners and French), peas, onions, sweetcorn, red cabbage and rocket were winners last year. I've added in beetroot, leeks and pak choi into the mix so far. Also some spuds for one of the heavier beds, to break it up a bit. And strawberries and cut flowers in one. Baths get used for sweetpeas, successfully. Plus the asparagus bed, and I appear to have bought, on Shan's hearty reccomendation, some Jerusalem Artichokes. They'll go in a bath, too, I suspect. Last time I planted them we got rid of them eventually, by selling the house.

Greenhouse is for tomatoes and chillies. My usual supplier has let me down this year, so I'm having to plant my own.

You're 'special'. I wouldn't wish them on anyone else. Laughing

They are the vegetable that keeps on giving. Louise will enjoy them immensely.
Self generated tub bubbles?

Redneck jacuzzi.

Now then. Poly tunnel. We’ve a space for one. Lots of frames on ebay. Are replacement skins easily available off the roll, to fit any size?
gz

We will have to have our next skillshare with you Nick!

When I had a garden with lots of beds they were 4 foot by 20 foot, with lawnmower wide paths. (24 beds). Wide enough to grow a decent amount, and have alkathene pipe and polythene mini polytunnels. (A la Titchmarsh)
My DiL uses baths for growing in their allotment polytunnel...they have problems with Mares Tail (equisetum).
Nick

HA! I haven't yet grown anything except brambles. Shan

Looking good Nick. I like how you have roped the dog in to helping as well. Very Happy

Have you decided what you are going to grow in them?

Well. Beans (runners and French), peas, onions, sweetcorn, red cabbage and rocket were winners last year. I've added in beetroot, leeks and pak choi into the mix so far. Also some spuds for one of the heavier beds, to break it up a bit. And strawberries and cut flowers in one. Baths get used for sweetpeas, successfully. Plus the asparagus bed, and I appear to have bought, on Shan's hearty reccomendation, some Jerusalem Artichokes. They'll go in a bath, too, I suspect. Last time I planted them we got rid of them eventually, by selling the house.

Greenhouse is for tomatoes and chillies. My usual supplier has let me down this year, so I'm having to plant my own.

You're 'special'. I wouldn't wish them on anyone else. Laughing

They are the vegetable that keeps on giving. Louise will enjoy them immensely.
Self generated tub bubbles?

Redneck jacuzzi.

Now then. Poly tunnel. We’ve a space for one. Lots of frames on ebay. Are replacement skins easily available off the roll, to fit any size?

How on earth would I know - I spend my life replacing sheets of glass on the damn greenhouse, not plastic sleeves on poly tunnels.

PS the 'bubble tub' is about to become another casualty. Will be up for sale, in May. Crying or Very sad
Nick

Poly carbonate in the greenhouse. Rookie error there.

I thought the bubble tub was going to be your new chicken house on the mountain?
Shan

No. I don't do polycarbonate.

After drawing up a list of what needs to happen, we came to the conclusion that it was one bridge too far. J is now actually refusing to even look at 'the list'.
Nick

No. I don't do polycarbonate.

After drawing up a list of what needs to happen, we came to the conclusion that it was one bridge too far. J is now actually refusing to even look at 'the list'.

ROFLMAO.
sgt.colon

Looking good Nick. I like how you have roped the dog in to helping as well. Very Happy

Have you decided what you are going to grow in them?

Well. Beans (runners and French), peas, onions, sweetcorn, red cabbage and rocket were winners last year. I've added in beetroot, leeks and pak choi into the mix so far. Also some spuds for one of the heavier beds, to break it up a bit. And strawberries and cut flowers in one. Baths get used for sweetpeas, successfully. Plus the asparagus bed, and I appear to have bought, on Shan's hearty reccomendation, some Jerusalem Artichokes. They'll go in a bath, too, I suspect. Last time I planted them we got rid of them eventually, by selling the house.

Greenhouse is for tomatoes and chillies. My usual supplier has let me down this year, so I'm having to plant my own.


ETA. Obviously, I’ll be planting far too many courgette plants.

Sounds like you should have a busy and productive year. Smile

Never tried Jerusalem Artichokes. Are they nice?
Shan

Looking good Nick. I like how you have roped the dog in to helping as well. Very Happy

Have you decided what you are going to grow in them?

Well. Beans (runners and French), peas, onions, sweetcorn, red cabbage and rocket were winners last year. I've added in beetroot, leeks and pak choi into the mix so far. Also some spuds for one of the heavier beds, to break it up a bit. And strawberries and cut flowers in one. Baths get used for sweetpeas, successfully. Plus the asparagus bed, and I appear to have bought, on Shan's hearty reccomendation, some Jerusalem Artichokes. They'll go in a bath, too, I suspect. Last time I planted them we got rid of them eventually, by selling the house.

Greenhouse is for tomatoes and chillies. My usual supplier has let me down this year, so I'm having to plant my own.


ETA. Obviously, I’ll be planting far too many courgette plants.
You cheeky arse.
dpack

Laughing Nick

Looking good Nick. I like how you have roped the dog in to helping as well. Very Happy

Have you decided what you are going to grow in them?

Well. Beans (runners and French), peas, onions, sweetcorn, red cabbage and rocket were winners last year. I've added in beetroot, leeks and pak choi into the mix so far. Also some spuds for one of the heavier beds, to break it up a bit. And strawberries and cut flowers in one. Baths get used for sweetpeas, successfully. Plus the asparagus bed, and I appear to have bought, on Shan's hearty reccomendation, some Jerusalem Artichokes. They'll go in a bath, too, I suspect. Last time I planted them we got rid of them eventually, by selling the house.

Greenhouse is for tomatoes and chillies. My usual supplier has let me down this year, so I'm having to plant my own.


ETA. Obviously, I’ll be planting far too many courgette plants.
You cheeky arse.

🤷‍♂️?
Nick

Looking good Nick. I like how you have roped the dog in to helping as well. Very Happy

Have you decided what you are going to grow in them?

ETA. Obviously, I’ll be planting far too many courgette plants.

Sounds like you should have a busy and productive year. Smile

Never tried Jerusalem Artichokes. Are they nice?

Yeah. I like them. Sort of nutty potato. Good roasted or in soup. Dead easy to grow. Impossible to get rid of. Make you fart. That’s about all you need to know.
Shan

May your Asparagus cross breed with your Jerusalem artichoke..... dpack

ja's are ace if you have sunny space, they are robust Nick

ja's are ace if you have sunny space, they are robust

Robust. Before and after harvest.
sgt.colon

Quote:
Farting and hard to get rid of


Hmmmmm, you've not really sold them to me. Razz
Nick

Quote:
Farting and hard to get rid of


Hmmmmm, you've not really sold them to me. Razz

Sounds like every husband, ever.
sgt.colon

Laughing Laughing Mistress Rose

Managed to finally get my seed potatoes in. They are in the new raised beds, and it was most noticeable that the bed which had a lot of charcoal in it was far more moist than the other. I also managed to find a bit of room in one of the other beds for the leeks, so they are now in too, but will need watering on a regular basis for a bit. dpack

back to ja, ace things, tasty and nutritious

pretty as well

the farty bit is no problem if we keep it local and one community after a nice soup or stew base Laughing

the farty bit is often overestimated and is far outbid by tasty and very good food.

they are vigorous in a nice spot but eating some can keep that under control

the dpack scales of judgement are very much in their favour
Mistress Rose

Jerusalem artichokes are also nice baked or roasted. I clean them well and leave them in their skins, then the skins can be removed as they are eaten. Nick

I got my asparagus planted yesterday. This raised bed connects with the earth, the others remain bottomed with weed control fabric. All are now full of a mixture of rotting hay, manure, compost and soil. Peas and onions in, and poking thru. JA planted but container bound. Everything else can wait... dpack

that seems right, asparagus is a hungry beast if you want a good crop and deep, rich and connected to the earth is ideal.

ja contained is a wise plan, ditto horseradish if you like the stuff

at the mo my black mint has gone free-range for a while so as the centipedes can get the weevils out of the roots Rolling Eyes

if they manage it will be repotted before it gets invasive
Mistress Rose

Nick, if you can get hold of some charcoal fines, it will keep the moisture and nutrients in the soil longer. I just planted out my seed potatoes in two similar beds and the one with a lot of charcoal in it had far more moisture than the one without.
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