That's who we get ours from. I go over once a fortnight, roughly, and come home with fifty pints. I can't recommend it enough - the children are so much less snotty.
Do you freeze some of it or just drink a lot of milk?
chez
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Chest freezer
It's a thirty mile round trip, so I combine errands.
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gardening-girl
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Usually to see me!
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chez
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Awww. I never think of you as an errand
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Rob R
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I've found another one! Southview Farm Dairy, in West Sussex.
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Rob R
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I've found another one! Modbury Organic Farm, in southwest Dorset.
Raw and Jersey - result! Unfortunately the only outlet is their on-farm shop and no mail order, though.
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chez
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I would just like to add to this thread - we ran out of our raw milk about a week ago and simply haven't been able to get the car out to get more from the local place. The children are now STREAMING with mucus. This is the third time since we have been using it that we have had to 'go back' to pasteurised; I am convinced that it makes them considerably more snotty.
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gz
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Anywhere near here?
I used to have green top from near Llanrhaeadr Dyffryn Clwyd when I worked near Denbigh. No sinus problems then.
Non-homogenized is better than "ordinary" organic, for drinks or cooking.
I haven't seen any green topsince I moved south
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Rob R
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I'm onto it
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Rob R
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Unfortunately it seems to be a bit of an empty area, but I'll keep looking, the nearest in Wales seems to be on the West Coast, Taunton in Somerset or Herefordshire. Will keep it in mind, though.
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Rob R
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Whilst looking I came across this article. Where do these people get off? Two kids struck down by E coli, both in a country where raw milk is banned and that same country has higher levels of E coli and England & Wales, and somehow raw milk is to blame for that! This is a prime example of how illogical the anti-raw milk lobbyists are - even the evidence against them is used as justification.
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Green Rosie
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Quote: | Now it needs to go further and ban altogether a product that kills |
I cannot believe that end of article statement. Every house is full of any number of potentially killer substances - add onto that under-cooked food and on the basis of that quote we should ban everything
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chez
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Oh for goodness sake! . That article's 2006, too, so clearly they haven't had much luck so far. Luckily!
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Rob R
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I've also been reading about how the Welsh want to ban it. The stats I have seen say 0.01% of milk is consumed raw yet it's (according to some) a 'massive public health issue'. I've seen the list of all dairy establishments (brought about due to the 2006 regs) but they don't indicate which ones produce Raw Cows' Drinking Milk, so it can't be that much of an issue. Thankfully the FSA have a little more of a sensible approach on it and have managed to stave off Labour's attempts to get a ban.
And raw milk is the only foodstuff in the UK required to have a health warning.
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Rob R
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Raw milk sales double
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Mustang
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So I've found a local farm which sells raw milk. Are there any sensible questions I need to ask them about the quality and safety of their milk before buying?
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Rob R
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You could ask them about their feeding and grazing regimes - cows fed a high proportion of the dietary needs as forage inherently have healthier milk and better hygiene (within reason, though obviously it doesn't avoid post milking contamination).
Asking to see their cows and milking facilities (all the better if you can see a milking) will tell you more by their reaction than any technical knowledge. If they're passionate to talk openly about it and give you a guided tour you can be pretty sure that they are worthy.
You could ask about their TB testing (if registered as a raw milk producer they will be tested annually) but providing they are registered then you will be pretty safe there - the rules are so tight that TB hasn't been contracted from drinking inspected raw milk for a couple of generations - it's just used as scaremongering based upon very old precedents. Like most things that are 'different' the bar is set much higher than for the conventional. However you're probably best not going into their testing unless you know all about it - providing they are licensed and inspected (and passed!) that is all you need to know.
Quote: | 1. The current controls on the sale of raw cows' drinking milk in hygiene and food labelling regulations are:
a) the milk may only be sold direct to consumers by registered milk production holdings (at the farm gate or in a farmhouse catering operation) or through milk roundsmen. Sales through other outlets have been banned since 1985 (although sales by the farmer at farmers markets are allowed);
b) the supplying animals must be from a herd that is officially tuberculosis free, and either brucellosis free or officially brucellosis free;
c) the production holding, milking premises and dairy, must comply with hygiene rules;
d) the milk must bear the appropriate health warning;
e) compliance with a) to d) above is monitored by inspections twice a year; and
f) the milk is sampled and tested quarterly under the control of Animal Health Dairy Hygiene to monitor compliance with standards for total bacterial count and coliforms.
2. The sale of raw drinking milk from sheep, goats or buffaloes:
a) is not subject to the restriction at 1a) above;
b) raw drinking milk from buffaloes has to comply with the herd status requirement at 1b) above;
c) raw drinking milk from sheep and goats must come from animals belonging to a production holding that is either officially brucellosis free or brucellosis free;
d) raw drinking milk from these 3 species must comply with dairy hygiene rules and microbiological standards;
e) In England, raw drinking milk from sheep and goats, but not buffaloes, has to carry the health warning. In Wales, raw milk from all three species has to carry the appropriate health warning; and
f) compliance with these requirements is monitored at inspections programmed on a risk basis.
3. The sale of raw cream:
a) is not subject to the restrictions at 1a) and d) above;
b) must comply with all the requirements that apply to milk based products under dairy hygiene rules and microbiological standards;
c) must be made with milk meeting the herd status criteria described in paragraphs 1b) and 2b) and c) above;
d) raw cream is not required to carry the health warning; and
e) compliance with these requirements is, again, monitored at inspections programmed on risk. |
http://www.food.gov.uk/foodindustry/guidancenotes/hygguid/rawmilkcream
Good advice can also be sought here; http://www.naturalfoodfinder.co.uk/unpasteurised-raw-milk-uk
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Mustang
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Thanks for the tips Rob. I went along to the farm today, and collected my milk. Jersey raw milk, fresh from the cow. They had just finished milking so it was very fresh.
They told me about their grazing/feeding regime without me asking. Even which fields they were using. In summer they put them on naturally reclaimed coastal flats (ready salted beef maybe?) but after they cut the fields for silage. They aren't certified organic, but farm to organic standards. They were more than happy for me to wander over the farm to see the cows, even pointing me at a large barn where some cows had just given birth the day before.
They make raw cream, butter, ice-cream as well. They make runs into London, stopping at a number of locations for pick-ups.
Very occasionally, they have Jersey Beef available. They hang it for 4 weeks. My name is down for some of the next order.
The milk itself tasted really nice. Creamy but still with a 'clean' and fresh taste. Takes a bit more work to create my micro-foam for my coffee though than 'normal' milk.
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Rob R
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Ah, yes, I think I know the supplier you are talking about. As a general rule raw milk producers have to be so much better than your average dairy farm as they have to be or the milk won't keep long enough to sell, unless they really are trying cash in on it, in which case it's unlikely they'll be registered.
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Mrs R
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Jersey beef is very good hanging for 4weeks though? Hope it's got a good fat covering and I'm wondering what they'd feed a jersey to get it that fat
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Rob R
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Maybe they're just producing "instant jerky"?
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Rob R
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Today we visited Wheelbirks for some raw Jersey milk - if anyone is in the Northumberland area they are well worth a visit for raw milk, cream and ice cream.
We've even smuggled some across the border into Scotland.
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Rob R
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We've even smuggled some across the border into Scotland. |
And it's still going after all this time out of the fridge!
jamanda
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We had raw milk from the super-market while we were in France. It was very good! First time BW has ever tried it - once he had it was the what we had to get!
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rachelk
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anyone sell it it the northants cambs area! I used to get fresh goats milk, for my imaginary dog but can't any more.
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Rob R
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I'll consult my list & get back to you tomorrow
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Rob R
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I'll consult my list & get back to you tomorrow
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sean
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You could pop a note in with the cheese.
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jamanda
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and tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow. Still none near us
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Mustang
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We've got it down near Ipswich if you can come down this way? My local farm is getting in a cheesemaker soon to start Jersey raw milk cheese production as well.
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Rob R
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Damn GPRS...n
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Rob R
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Another farm offering raw milk for delivery in the UK, and from Jerseys too! http://www.foulgersdairy.co.uk/
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TTouch Homestead
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Not sure if this thread is just for cows, but raw goat milk is available from these peeps, and I think they have a delivery option.
http://www.chucklinggoat.co.uk/
just up the road from us...
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Rob R
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Any milk, as long as it's raw, is welcome on this thread.
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TTouch Homestead
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Thanks- we have our own milking goat and are complete converts to raw milk. Friends who come to stay also comment on how well they feel, how their skin is better etc! Our dogs think of it like the doggy version of cocaine...they will do anything for it.
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dolmen
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Sadly I'm unable to source any raw milk, but I'd want the organic label too, for me I see such a difference in our health over this past few years by growing and buying organic when possible.
Cheers
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Rob R
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I always buy organic milk if I can't get raw, unhomogenised - I think that is what product where you really can see the difference between organic/non-organic.
It's nice to see more dairies supplying nationwide now though - I think this one is the fourth that I know of.
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Mustang
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They appear to be selling milk that comes from another dairy though. It comes from the one I use, which is down on the coast.
Very nice milk tho.
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Rob R
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Beware, contents may make blood boil; Raw milk sales under review
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dpack
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i like raw milk
moo ,bucket ,sorted
tis the industrial i have doughts about
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Rob R
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Surrey/Hampshire border
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Rob R
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Not raw, but interesting none-the-less; Maple Field Milk [PDF]
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