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Went

Shocking news from Northern Spain...

The impact of a failing economy and austerity cuts are beginning to take its toll on ordinary folk - disturbing images from our region this week miners versus police - grenade launchers and the rest.

I doubt you'll hear about it in the UK

http://periodismohumano.com/economia/resistencia-minera.html
Pilsbury

Funny you should say that, page 8 of the metro today has the story although it only shows burning tyre barricades, nothing about grenade launchers.
sueshells

Crikey - that does look serious. Great pictures! TEOTWAWKI seems to get closer each day Crying or Very sad
Nick

Well, by definition, it cannot get further away; such is the nature of time.


What's the source, and can you provide a translation, please?
Shane

How does your average miner get his hands on a grenade launcher, exactly? Or did ETA flog 'em all off when they disbanded?
vegplot

It looks home made judging by the way it's ignited with a cigarette lighter.
Went

Well, by definition, it cannot get further away; such is the nature of time.


What's the source, and can you provide a translation, please?


Asturian miners cut off several roads in a new day of protests over the announced withdrawal of government subsidies to coal mining, which in practice means the end of this sector.

Think 1984 - miners strike UK - throw in a failing economy, 24% unemployment (50% in under 26s)...
Nick

Ta. Languages were never my strong point. Smile
Treacodactyl

How does your average miner get his hands on a grenade launcher, exactly? Or did ETA flog 'em all off when they disbanded?


There was a bit on the BBC 22:00 news, they said it was just firework rockets being launched from a metal tube.
Ty Gwyn

How big a Mining sector is left in Spain? Shane

How does your average miner get his hands on a grenade launcher, exactly? Or did ETA flog 'em all off when they disbanded?

There was a bit on the BBC 22:00 news, they said it was just firework rockets being launched from a metal tube. So "grenade launcher" is perhaps a little over-dramatic, then? Laughing Went

How does your average miner get his hands on a grenade launcher, exactly? Or did ETA flog 'em all off when they disbanded?

There was a bit on the BBC 22:00 news, they said it was just firework rockets being launched from a metal tube. So "grenade launcher" is perhaps a little over-dramatic, then? Laughing

Perhaps not if you are a policeman facing them...
Bebo

Think I'd probably be as worried by the catapulted stones. I thought the police were very restrained. The tear gas canisters didn't seem to do much, would have thought they'd go for it with rubber bullets or water cannon to be honest. Went

Think I'd probably be as worried by the catapulted stones. I thought the police were very restrained. The tear gas canisters didn't seem to do much, would have thought they'd go for it with rubber bullets or water cannon to be honest.

Restrained because it is likely you are facing your relatives or neighbours no matter which side you are on, it is such a small community.... desperate times for many
Snowball

Trying to find a link for 3 groups of miners that are staging an underground sit in. They have been there for 21 days now. I think this will make 1984 in Britain look like a picnic Snowball

http://www.france24.com/en/20120610-spanish-miners-fight-subsidies-deep-below-ground Went

http://www.france24.com/en/20120610-spanish-miners-fight-subsidies-deep-below-ground

http://www.france24.com/en/20120610-spanish-miners-fight-subsidies-deep-below-ground

Thanks for the link
Vanessa

Sad times. Sad Even sadder, I can't see an end in sight! Confused Ty Gwyn

This situation seems to be escalating,yet there is more coverage on Al Jazzera than on UK news channels.

I wonder Why?
Went

This situation seems to be escalating,yet there is more coverage on Al Jazzera than on UK news channels.

I wonder Why?

Indeed.... Confused
Ty Gwyn

Gawber,
Can you put us in the picture of the situation on the ground,as the snippets of news and video links we get through various channels,shows this to be exculating into what could be another 1934 situation.
Went

We are a bit isolated here but..

People are angry that the measures so far taken have been based on strategies of austerity and no mention of growth - recent increases in VAT will only add to inflation. Whilst announcing the VAT rises one politician was heard to shout "Let's F*ck them" which has not gone down well as you can imagine.

In Spain, most workers have 14 pay days a year with double pay in summer and Christmas - they have scrapped the Christmas one for many. They have reduced pensions, salaries, carers allowances and benefits dramatically - they have increased taxes across the board on all financial transactions. They have also brought in legislation that makes it easy to sack people without any penalties or pay-outs.

Most manual or unskilled workers have no rights, contracts or comeback if sacked or laid off.

Whilst these strategies are necessary to a point, there is a feeling that it is the working man and woman who are bearing the brunt of these measures whilst the wealthy continue to avoid taxes and have moved assets out of the country.

There are rumours that the Prime Minister Rajoy is attempting to restrict access to Facebook and other social platforms the government seen as fuelling the backlash against them.

The Miners march on Madrid escalated to a mass demonstration where riot police used rubber bullets and arrested many.

Driving to Oviedo the other day we witness the damage from fires on the motorways from when the miners in this area were fighting with police.

Saying all this, although there is a feeling or growing anger and resentment, the Spanish people still remember times before joining the EU when times were equally difficult for many - they are a resilient lot.

There are urban developments standing deserted - a new development outside of Madrid built as a commuter town comprising of 13,000 new apartments stand like a ghost town with 10,000 still unsold. The banks have lots of toxic assets and are in trouble.

The problem with the measures to date are that it will only serve to drive things underground and fuel the black market which is already estimated to make up 30% of the economy.

It is so expensive to become self employed here with a minimum contribution of 250 euros per month, VAT payable on all turnover (upfront) and high tax rates payable 12 months up front (an estimate).

A friend who recently set up a business has a minimum contribution of 600 euros per month as he was advised to set the business up with himself as a director - he has also ben fined 6000 euros for not having the correct papers despite working with a qualified Assesoria from who he paid for advice and guidance. He can try and take the assessoria to court but it will cost too much and he will not win.

Unemployment is currently 24% and rising - and 52% in the under 26 year olds....

Rocky times ahead for many
vegplot

and we think we have it bad. Penny Outskirts

The less moneyed of the world have been lulled into a false sense of security for the last few decades, believing that those who have power actaully give a hoot about the rest of us.

"When Adam delve and Eve span, who was the the gentleman?"

Holds true today as it did in the 14th century.

The only course open to many is to get out of the system Sad
Ty Gwyn

Thanks Gawber,
One of the links i have been sent ,showed a major new Airport that was built,costing millions if not billions of euros,and there are several more like it,never had a plan or land or take off,
And appartment buildings,with one site ,with only the security man living there.
Looks like the Spanish Government has squandered vast amounts of money,and expect the workers to pick up the tab.

The Asturian Miners Strike of 1934,when Franco brought in Moorish mercenaries to smash the strikers,was the foundation of the Civil War.

Lets hope history doesnt repeat itself.
Went

The other major concern for business (which I forgot to mention) is that new laws are being introduced that mean if your business contracts another business to do some work for you, it is your responsibility to ensure the business you employ is up to date with their tax, VAT and insurances otherwise you will be fined for employing them - you can guess what the business community thinks of this Shocked jema

I can see the rules above as having potential impact with those that shelter behind constantly rotating sub-contractors that they know damn well engage in dodgy practices.

As ever with laws though it is all about how they are applied, quite often big business sees regulations as something they can more easily apply than small business, or equally as something they can avoid or be too big to challenge on, and again small business will bear the brunt.
Luath

Re the Facebook thing; there are a lot of pics/videos appearing recently from all around the world via the Occupy movement/s, more often than not bearing the tag 'media blackout on this' or similar, so that's why we see/hear nothing. There have been tens of millions demontrating in many countries, but we have little access to the info/pictures.
Things will get a lot worse before they get better, sadly.
vegplot

Why on earth do they think that strangling the wealth generating sectors is going to help solve their financial woes. It's the one thing you should be doing your best to grow to ensure money flows within the system. jema

Why on earth do they think that strangling the wealth generating sectors is going to help solve their financial woes. It's the one thing you should be doing your best to grow to ensure money flows within the system.

I can't say I have noticed Tesco, Vodafone, Amazon and the rest of the tax evaders being squeezed over here.
Anyone else done the math on g4s, just how much a head they were being paid to provide people?
If you are not going to squeeze the people with the money, you end up squeezing those without.
Penny Outskirts

Why on earth do they think that strangling the wealth generating sectors is going to help solve their financial woes. It's the one thing you should be doing your best to grow to ensure money flows within the system.

I can't say I have noticed Tesco, Vodafone, Amazon and the rest of the tax evaders being squeezed over here.
Anyone else done the math on g4s, just how much a head they were being paid to provide people?
If you are not going to squeeze the people with the money, you end up squeezing those without.

They probably made a concious decision not to supply people, and take the penalties.
nugger

Having worked at the coal mine were the strike started in 84-Cortonwood, I so that most of the protesters & people on TV were the ones that tossed it off at the pit, the real workers stayed out of the media. It used to make me so mad when i so these people on TV making there mouth & couldn't pick a shovel up never mind use one. Always some one looking for a fight & will use any excuse to start one! Ty Gwyn

If you worked at Cortonwood,you did`nt do much shovel work,lol.
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