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Pilsbury

Tablet suggestions

Im looking at getting a new tablet, I currently have a 1st gen Tesco hudl thst has never really worked thst well, the screen seems to have random hissy fits of self typing when trying to write and strange glitches.
I would like something to play a few memory games, internet surf and do some writing so the ability for open office or similar would be good and if it can take a Bluetooth keyboard or similer so much the better.
I'm open to any suggestions thst don't involve Apple.
No real budget in mind but I'm not loaded lol.
I currently have a Samsung phone and get on with that rather well so let the suggestions commence.
johnc

Has to be I pad in one form or another, just can't be bettered
Hairyloon

Has to be I pad in one form or another, just can't be bettered

Which is the best model of non-apple iPad?
Hairyloon

Has to be I pad in one form or another, just can't be bettered

Which is the best model of non-apple iPad?
Behemoth

Which Best Buy = galaxy tab s2 8 at 369.

Cheapest Best Buy = Lenovo tab2 a10 169

I've used neither.
jema

I think its still the case that a premium brand like Samsung is a better bet than the cheapo tablets. GrahamH

The wife has had the Samsung for 18 months now, no problems so far.
In the shop we were offered a choice of two, one a Chinese. Same packaging and looks. Very difficult to see the difference .Less than half the price.
Take care if buying from dubious sellers including ebay.
Nick

What's the problem with Apple? Would this be overcome with a second hand one?

If it would, just beware of battery life on used ones. Otherwise, I've seen nothing to touch them, really.
cir3ngirl

Me and my iPad are approaching our 6 anniversary together Nick

Me and my iPad are approaching our 6 anniversary together

Is it running like treacle? My original iPad is, and my iPad 2 was before I lost it.
tahir

You lost it before iPads were invented Nick

You lost it before iPads were invented

Cheeky sod. I meant I lost my iPad. Left it on a plane in Amsterdam. Of all the 'things people lost in Amsterdam', my story is the dullest.
Pilsbury

My wife has an iPad and iPhone and I would rather not get sucked into the Apple world, they are fine and all but I'm happy with Android and for what I'm looking to do I really dont need an ipad level tablet.
My preferance is for a non Apple device and if thst means I'm missing out then so be it.
I have my free 15gig cloud with Android and all my apps are compatible with what ever Android phone I get when it's time to upgrade and I really don't want to become locked into apple.
Just my choice, just like some people dont want to use Windows as their operating system so download Linux I guess.
Nick

No, absolutely fine. Just if it was a cost thing, there are options available. Smile

I think the real answer to choosing a brand is usually people stick with a brand because it's what their chargers/software/accounts/habits are with, and they're the best 'arguments' there are.
wellington womble

The iPad 2 was getting slow before we all went up one.

I'm very pro-Apple. I know they are expensive, but I feel they are far better devices, and the support is amazing. Not out to convert anyone, just what works for us. I think it does simplify things if all your devices are easily compatible. That's why we went all Apple and it works seamlessly and flawlessly for us.

Unless I want to post pics on here...
sean

For what you want to do and on a budget I'd look at one of Evil Amazon's Fire HD 8 jobbies especially if you've got Evil Amazon Prime already. jema

You don't get the full google play store with the Amazon tablets which I see as a very big downsize. buzzy

You don't get the full google play store with the Amazon tablets which I see as a very big downsize.

So you approve, then? Wink

Henry

PS I have no idea what a google play store is, and why, or why not, you would want it full (or less than full). Smile
Pilsbury

I do think that everything needs to work together and I think thst one of the reasons I resist Apple, as I say my wife has an iPad mini and iPhone but with android I can pick from a whole range of brands that are compatible and all link to my google account, my wife has to pay whatever Apple wantvto charge for her for the privilege of using their devices and rumors thst they are changing from the universe headphone jack to one you have to buy from Apple, that they don't use the same universal charger all other brands do and so on. Chez

I have a Chuwi Hi12. It's dual boot android and windows 10, with full functionality in both. I also got the keyboard for it, which means it is a fully spooned up little laptop. The screen response time is a bit slower than apple or samsung, but in general I am delighted. They also do a 10 inch and 8 inch version. It was 289. Pilsbury

That sounds very interesting, I will have a Google and see how it fits for what I need. jema

Play store is where you get applications, either all of them with google or just ones Amazon list, they have improved on that score but its a limitation I don't like. sean

I'm not convinced that being slightly limited as to the amount of poorly written malware infested junk that you can download is a major drawback. Pilsbury

I only have half a dozen of the most popular apps on my tablet, and that's after owning it for 3 years so I wouldn't worry to much about that. sean

That's my point. Smile Chez

I don't like the Amazon tie in. It seems daft to limit yourself. Nick

They all have limitations. You just have to choose your compromise and Axis of Evil manufacturer. sean

They all have limitations. You just have to choose your compromise and Axis of Evil manufacturer.

No, no , no. Only other people's choices have limitations. Someone will recommend a hamster powered ubuntu tablet soon. They're only a little bit more expensive than things that work and will eventually be able to do everything,
Nick

Hairyloon and Chez have to agree on somethings. Hairyloon

Hairyloon and Chez have to agree on somethings.
Hey, leave me out of this one.
I'd only suggest to get something cheap so it matters less when it gets sat on.
buzzy

Play store is where you get applications, either all of them with google or just ones Amazon list, they have improved on that score but its a limitation I don't like.

I almost understand, but I'm an old bloke and fail to comprehend the need for 'apps'.

It puzzled me that you wrote "which I see as a very big downsize" (which I took to mean approval), but it has since occurred to me that you probably meant to put 'downside' Laughing Laughing

Henry
Chez

They all have limitations. You just have to choose your compromise and Axis of Evil manufacturer.

No, no , no. Only other people's choices have limitations. Someone will recommend a hamster powered ubuntu tablet soon. They're only a little bit more expensive than things that work and will eventually be able to do everything,

Ubuntu is rubbish for tablets Smile.

I've just swapped from it to this thing with windows ten - apart from the axis of evil aspects of it, it's lovely. Such a relief not to have to field strip it to get it to talk to the printer ...
NorthernMonkeyGirl

Hairyloon and Chez have to agree on somethings.
Hey, leave me out of this one.
I'd only suggest to get something cheap so it matters less when it gets sat on.

Tesco Hudl 2 was good enogh in this respect that I was going to order it after my next pay day - then they discontinued it.

I think it is about picking your ecosystem - Apple stuff is gibberish to me, having never owned an i-thing. Android lets me do more stuff with the caveat that it's my responsibility not to cock it up!
Pilsbury

Yep I was going to get a hudl2 before they discontinued it hence my hunt for a alternative.
I am going to be doing a lot of stuff for work so I quite likecthe idea of having the Windows 10 on there so I can use it with my air drive.
wellington womble

what does you wife pay apple for, Pilsbury? I only ask because I don't pay for anything extra, as far as I know and wondered what I might be missing!

Also, I have sat on my iPad. Several times. And Jenna has had one since she was three, and so far completely failed to damage it in any way. I think they are fairly robust (and covered under my contents insurance)
Pilsbury

what does you wife pay apple for, Pilsbury? I only ask because I don't pay for anything extra, as far as I know and wondered what I might be missing!

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she pays what ever Apple decide the price will be for an iPad when the one she has slows down to nothing and however much an iPhone is when it's time to change it.
Granted these are choices to buy sometimes but as Nick said the devices become slower ans slower and clogged up with memory hogging things until they basically don't work, with Apple you are tied into buying only from Apple but with Android I can buy from any manufacturer.
wellington womble

Ah, I see. I can see your point. I realise Apple products are seen as more expensive, but I think people fail to take into account the amazing tech support you get for no further cost. (I also think they make superior products and you get what you pay for, which is largely a matter of opinion of course!) Jamanda

But it's like saying a Jaguar is so much better than a Ford Fiesta. Of course it is. But if you only have the money for the Ford Fiesta it's irrelevant how much better the E type is. sean

Plus Apple were unbelievably carp when stuff went wrong with my iMac. Up to and including lying about things. buzzy

what does you wife pay apple for, Pilsbury? I only ask because I don't pay for anything extra, as far as I know and wondered what I might be missing!

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she pays what ever Apple decide the price will be for an iPad when the one she has slows down to nothing and however much an iPhone is when it's time to change it.
Granted these are choices to buy sometimes but as Nick said the devices become slower ans slower and clogged up with memory hogging things until they basically don't work, with Apple you are tied into buying only from Apple but with Android I can buy from any manufacturer.

This suggests that it is not possible to delete the memory hogging things to get it back to speed. Is "why?" a daft question?

Henry
Nick

It is the operating system. And they don't let you wind it back. It's possible but not easy. It gets bigger and requires more processing power with each update. They do include plenty of new features each time but if you go up, it slows down. buzzy

It is the operating system. And they don't let you wind it back. It's possible but not easy. It gets bigger and requires more processing power with each update. They do include plenty of new features each time but if you go up, it slows down.

Can you avoid the updates, or do they get applied will you nill you?

Henry
Pilsbury

You can avoid the updates sometimes but then anything you haveon there such as banking apps migyt not work if your security certificate is not up to date.
All the apps get updates as well, maps, YouTube, sky and so on so as Apple memory isn't expandable at all they slowly eat into what you have available.
It's the same for phones but I can upgrade my Android one every couple of years for free and get a phone that might be a year old but still with ample memory, free iPhone upgrades come with hefty new contracts normally.
I pay 16 a Month for 100mjns calls, unlimited text and unlimited data because i resist getting a brand new phone and having to sign a new contract....
the unlimited data is a pretty rare beast these days as companies know the apps are all getting more data hungry so thsts where the money is to be made.
Add to thst free calls and messages over data with what's app and others then the minuets and texts are pretty much redundant
Nick

It is the operating system. And they don't let you wind it back. It's possible but not easy. It gets bigger and requires more processing power with each update. They do include plenty of new features each time but if you go up, it slows down.

Can you avoid the updates, or do they get applied will you nill you?

Henry

You can avoid them, but as Pils says, you then lose functionality and also support. It's entirely possible to run an iPad from several years ago on its old software, much as it's still possible to run an old PC on Windows 98. But you'll struggle to do many useful things with it.

It's part of the business model, and you can accept it or not. The hardware and software is arguably the best, but you have to pay to keep it running, pretty much.
buzzy

Thanks Pilsbury and Nick. I think I'll try and struggle along without a tablet, and with a 'phone that just makes and receives calls and texts.

Henry
wellington womble

But it's like saying a Jaguar is so much better than a Ford Fiesta. Of course it is. But if you only have the money for the Ford Fiesta it's irrelevant how much better the E type is.

There is that, I accept, although I don't think the price difference is quite so great. I would further the comparison by saying it might be better to save longer for the E type, if servicing were included. If you have to pay for your IT support, you might save money in the long run. Apple have been nothing but brilliant with support, for both me and my mum, my iPhone, iPad and my Mac. I had very specific requirements and it ticked all the boxes.

Although there are more android suppliers, and this increases competition, Apple is still competing in the tablet/smartphone market, so it's never going to be way out of whack with everything (or at least not so far as to put weight the benefits of superior products and support). I also hear a lot about 'Apple deliberately making things incompatible' (from a family member) which I haven't found to be the case at all. I've only recently swapped to a Mac, and have both an iPhone and iPad for years, working just fine with a Windows laptop. I swapped to a Mac because my iPhone pics back up automatically to the Mac, which backs up automatically to the cloud and an external hardrive, and because I can stream content from the Mac to devices via wifi (I think. I haven't actually got round to trying yet. I git Netflix instead). I could have done this with Windows, too, but I've been so pleased with my Apple products I wanted to give a Mac a go and swapping to a desktop with a big screen made sense for viewing. The iPad has replaced the laptops mobility for us.

I upgrade my iphone for free every two years as well.
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