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Fee

Take a piece of string, a bit of bacon rind and a rock...

And you've got a relaxing afternoon catching a pest from our waters Smile

Spent a few hours with some bacon rind tied to the end of a bit of string, with friends in the sunshine, and came back with 39 signal crayfish out of the Basingstoke Canal in Farnborough that'll make a nice dinner (or starter, we'll see).

Turns out we should have had a permit, but we spoke to a nice chap at the Environment Agency, and he was more than happy that we were catching them, but said for next time, probably best to sort out a permit.

Anyway, very pleased with ourselves, getting rid of a pest and catching some tasty free food while we're at it Very Happy Here's some piccies:





(yes, Paul has a feeler in his mouth)








They're now in several plastic boxes full of clean water in the garden, cats were a bit interested, we've covered them now Smile

Jonnyboy

Nice nips
Fee

Our friend, Porl, an absolute loon Smile
dougal

39 !!

Thats an excellent haul... Very Happy


Pray tell, how did you pick your spot? Convenience for a good pub, shaded or sheltered water, shallowness/depth or what? ??

Train us! Very Happy
And nice that you found a nice man from the EA...
pricey

Nice catch, remember don't over boil them.
Fee

We found that the edge of shade/sunlight on the water was the best spot, but under the bridge was pretty good too, in full shade

The water wasn't very deep where we were catching them, between 1 and 2 metres I suppose, and we were catching most of them from about 1 to 1.5 metres out.

We were just lobbing the string (garden twine actually) with bacon rind on the end, with a stone tied a little way away from it so it sank, into the water.

Regards the location, near or even under a bridge, or shade, where the water is more still, seemed to be a good location. We started off over the other side, away from the bridge where the canal is quite wide, and caught nothing (in sun or shade).

And regards the EA chap, he came over to ask to see our permits, but I'm over-bearingly friendly sometimes, and I think it took him back a bit, and I was asking him lots of questions about the signal crayfish population in the canal, said I thought they were a big pest and that we were doing them a favour.

He agreed that they are and we were, and I think I made him feel like such an arse for telling us we needed permits that he said he would turn a blind eye for today, but to sort something out for next time, and that he hadn't see us, ok?

Will look into how we go about getting a permit and how much they are, he said we'd find the info on their website.
Fee

pricey wrote:
Nice catch, remember don't over boil them.


I've never cooked them before, what do you recommend? How long, or just when they go nice and red?

Do you recommend salted water? Somebody passing us today told us to soak them in salted water overnight, and somebody else has advised us to cook them in salted water.

We were wondering about BBQing them too. We're leaving them in the water they're now in overnight anyway, so recipes and suggestions for cooking are more than welcome!
Nanny

down in louisiana they boil them alive in salted water

till they are a sort of a flamingo pink colour....then they just tip the lot on to a covered picnic table and everybody digs in

god knows how many we caught but they filled a couple of onion bags
pricey

They are freshwater so no salt. 5 Min's max in boiling water, if you are going to do them on the BBQ Then 1 Min in the water 8-10 on the barbie.

I do them lots, and make some dipping sauces up for them to Wink Enjoy Laughing

You don't have to keep them in water, just covered with a damp cloth in a bucket. 48 hours Max though and don't cook any dead one's.
happytechie

Right, we're going to BBQ them later.

Dips, check. I'm thinking a chilli butter might go down well too.

Tis Fee here, btw Wink
Blue Sky

Mmmmm. I may be able to get hold of some. A friend of ours has a waterfall in his front garden. He has caught crayfish in the small pool at the bottom. Pricey???


Nice pics by the way Fee
Fee

Few people coming round at 3, I've made a chilli, fennel, lemon balm and lime butter and I'm about to make a bacon mayo type dip too.

We should have 8 each (well, I'll have 7), nice little starter methinks.

Will be doing as pricey says, boil for one minute then BBQ for 8 - 10.

Can't wait now! Hope I like them.
Jonnyboy

Just simply boil a few as a comparison.
dougal

pricey wrote:
They are freshwater so no salt. ...


I'm presuming that refers to the holding (rather than the cooking) water.

I'm not sure how long they are supposed to be held - so as to purge their guts of whatever they've been finding to eat, (they aren't exactly fussy).

Should one remove the dark gut, if eating promptly?
Jonnyboy

dougal wrote:


Should one remove the dark gut, if eating promptly?


I would suggest so.
pricey

Sorry been at work, hope they were nice Very Happy
Fee

They were absolutely delicious Very Happy

You don't get much meat off each though, do you! We had a few dead 'uns too, which we didn't eat, but only a few.

I preferred the claw meat to the tail (which were the only parts we were eating), but both were yummy, we'll definitely be catching some more in the future Smile

Question now is, can I make a stock from the remains?

Oh, and we didn't eat the dark bits Wink I took a picture of them on the BBQ, will post tomorrow.

Didn't think to boil a few for comparison, just boiled them for between 1 and 2 mins then flung them on the BBQ.
pricey

Simon wrote:
Mmmmm. I may be able to get hold of some. A friend of ours has a waterfall in his front garden. He has caught crayfish in the small pool at the bottom. Pricey???


Nice pics by the way Fee


Mate I am up for that, can we go on the first Sunday Very Happy Laughing
pricey

Fee wrote:
They were absolutely delicious Very Happy

You don't get much meat off each though, do you! We had a few dead 'uns too, which we didn't eat, but only a few.

I preferred the claw meat to the tail (which were the only parts we were eating), but both were yummy, we'll definitely be catching some more in the future Smile

Question now is, can I make a stock from the remains?

Oh, and we didn't eat the dark bits Wink I took a picture of them on the BBQ, will post tomorrow.

Didn't think to boil a few for comparison, just boiled them for between 1 and 2 mins then flung them on the BBQ.


Dark bits? come on where is the pics Laughing
Fee

I just meant, we only ate the tail and claw meat.

Anyway, some piccies...





Blue Sky

Now I am hungry again.
Fee

Mmmmm...tasty they be.

Anywhere in the New Forest we can harvest any for the DS picnic, Pricey?
skedone

yes mate u can use the shells etc for stocks or a really nice oil like oaster oil just oven bake the shells break them up , put them in extra virgin olive oil with a bit of garlic and chill leave for about 4 weeks shaking every day or two check for colour then u know flovour has been taken on by the oil the longer u leave it the better then strain it and away u go . very nice indead.

garlic and chill can be changed for your liking or just use the shells on there own
Fee

Oooooooooooooooh, will remember that next time!
vickersdc

We've just been down to the River Wey at Guildford for a paddle, and got chatting to a guy who had six traps out for crayfish.

So enamoured were we with the thought of free food that I've completed the relevant EA form to get a licence.

But what I actually wanted to know was... how do you go about killing them? He mentioned something about driving a knife between their eyes..?
pricey

vickersdc wrote:
how do you go about killing them? He mentioned something about driving a knife between their eyes..?


Just pop them in boiling water for 5 mins, no need to kill them first. If you really feel the need to, drive a knife in half way between the eyes and the tail, but in my opinion it takes longer for them to die that way.
sean

Or stick them in the freezer for half an hour before you do the boiling water thing.
pricey

sean wrote:
Or stick them in the freezer for half an hour before you do the boiling water thing.


Slower than the knife, just pop them in the water.
Drewsephine

Re: Take a piece of string, a bit of bacon rind and a rock..

Fee wrote:

Turns out we should have had a permit, but we spoke to a nice chap at the Environment Agency, and he was more than happy that we were catching them, but said for next time, probably best to sort out a permit.



Are you sure ?
I've been looking on the website and it only says anything about a licence when trapping.
Seeing as how you weren't using a trap I don't see why you need one.
Also he couldn't have done anything as
Environment Agency wrote:
Under the Wildife and Countryside Act 1981 (as amended), it is an offence
to release, or allow to escape, any non-native species into the wild in the UK
except under licence.


Seeing as how you'd already caught them he'd be comitting an offence in telling you to let them go Cool
Drewsephine

Having said that apparently its illegal for you to keep them as well

Environment Agency wrote:
The Prohibition of Keeping of Live Fish (Crayfish) Order 1996 (as amended),
made under the Import of Live Fish (England and Wales) Act 1980, makes it
an offence to keep any crayfish in England and Wales, except under licence
(with specific exemption areas for signal crayfish).
dpack

bbq is not kept Laughing
TimNeo

I tried to fill in a form for a license, but it seemed like a lot of leg work - I work next to a river infested by them, but apparently you need to have landowners permission to trap them. But no idea how to find out whom the landowner is, except perhaps the council. Now how are they going to respond when I email them? I suspect I'll just get a flat no because it's not something they're used to dealing with.

If I did it from a kayak I'm not on a bank?
Behemoth

Go on, be a rebel! Very Happy
Pilsbury

fallscrape wrote:
I tried to fill in a form for a license, but it seemed like a lot of leg work - I work next to a river infested by them, but apparently you need to have landowners permission to trap them. But no idea how to find out whom the landowner is, except perhaps the council. Now how are they going to respond when I email them? I suspect I'll just get a flat no because it's not something they're used to dealing with.

If I did it from a kayak I'm not on a bank?


I applied for the licence pack and then ran into the land owner/ exact location problem but if i was in your position I would be tempted to chuck the trap in the river on the way into work and then pull it out when I left, put your phone number on a tag on the string and if you get a call from the baliff meet him with the paperwork and ask him to help you fill it in, I doubt they will procecute on the first offence, just tell you that you need a licence
Boris

Ive just applied for a licence, its not that hard. I emailed the local fishing group and they advised me. I was always taught to put the crayfish in a freezer for a while as they are cold blooded and it makes them sleepy before you boil them. I have met some people who put them straight on the BBQ which is horrific Mad
Jamanda

Just make sure you are getting the right ones. Link

Sorry about the source Embarassed

eta better link
Boris

Which is why its important to check things out first!
Hairyloon

I know you need a licence to trap them, but I have seen some debate about catching them without a trap (i.e. the bacon on a string trick).
Not researched it enough to want to test it in court yet mind. Wink

Anyone know good locations around any of my usual haunts?
Boris

You could email the environmental agency and ask, I think they are also very fussy about the site but apart from that its not a problem
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