Frewen
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that I have no formal art training?I'm feeling rather ignorant in all things arty (not even having posession of a GCSE in art).
How do I learn to walk the walk? or does it not matter?
I've been looking at some artists websites, and they have "statements", collections, resumes, exhibitions, portfolios.....
....I feel all intimidated
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JB
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Re: that I have no formal art training? | Frewen wrote: | | I've been looking at some artists websites, and they have "statements", collections, resumes, exhibitions, portfolios..... |
Portfolios are OK but most of the rest of it is just so much nonsense. Any artist can make themselves look a fool by trying to explain their work so by and large you can ignore their statements and CVs.
So no it certainly does not matter.
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Cathryn
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Believe in what you do.
Easy
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Stacey
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Someone wants your work - that's all that really matters.
I have formal art training to pre degree level and I still can't write an artist statement
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dpack
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no
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marigold
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Richard Branson doesn't have a degree in Business Studies (or anything else for that matter) .
And if you want an arty role model Beryl Cook is self-taught, as are no doubt zillions of other successful artists .
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Rob R
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Re: that I have no formal art training? | Frewen wrote: | I've been looking at some artists websites, and they have "statements", collections, resumes, exhibitions, portfolios.....
....I feel all intimidated  |
I think that's probably their intention, there's a simple equation;
people like your stuff + people know about your stuff = people will buy
Though, like on many of these occasions, you only really need one reply, as provided by dpack
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marigold
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And, thinking about it, I also had a successful career in IT without any formal qualifications .
Having said that, it is wonderful working on stuff with other people, bouncing ideas around, getting new inspiration etc, so if you feel you'd like some training you'd probably really enjoy a course at your local college. You could try a one-day workshop on compiling a portfolio or compiling a sketch book to start with - see what they have on offer, there might be short summer workshops to try out.
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Mrs Fiddlesticks
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go and look at this lady's website - http://www.theyellowhat-tribe.com/index.htm particularly the page about herself. She's the mother of 6 and started off doodling on the back of an envelope. There is no fancy statement, but its a wonderful colourful website full of her fun paintings.
Be like her in not needing to 'explain' your art!
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dpack
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art school can give one background but do it matters far more
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Fee
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Matters not a jot, it's your work that will sell, not what you say about it.
I'm working on an artists website at the moment, and she's really struggling with her 'bio', but insists she wants one and doesn't need any help!
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Stacey
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Can I respectfully suggest that you stop looking at other people's work and just get on with your own? You'll talk yourself out of it before you even start.
*Thinks about taking own advice*
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Erikht
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Re: that I have no formal art training? | Frewen wrote: | I'm feeling rather ignorant in all things arty (not even having posession of a GCSE in art).
How do I learn to walk the walk? or does it not matter?
I've been looking at some artists websites, and they have "statements", collections, resumes, exhibitions, portfolios.....
....I feel all intimidated  |
It is not a must, though the attitude you sometimes meet here that "the less you know the better you are" is off course stupid, and can not be what you are looking for. That said, art education will usually be (roughly) two things: Technique and coherence/context. If you are technically good at what you do, then by all means continue to develop that part of you; if you are not, you either need to learn more (well, we always need to learn more) or stop doing it.
When it comes to coherence/context, I will give the opposite advice from some of the others here: Do look at other peoples stuff. You need to see as much art as possibly, not to be intimidated, but to understand who you are and how you came to be there. See the stain glass windows in your local church, go at the art museum, look at peoples stuff on their home pages. Develop your eye, and you will find that it develops your style. This can be done with or without a formal education of any kind.
Everybody seem to have statements these days, I really wouldn't worry about that. I support China's liberation of Tibet, but I wouldn't write it on my home page. Resumes are fine, but you have to start them somewhere. Exhibitions are the ultimate goal, really, that's were you will sell your stuff. But I think you will find that other methods can be used in order to become a well known figure. The point here, though, is to make things that people 1: Like and 2: Feel secure in buying. Art can be quite an investment, and you don't want to cash out for something bland and boring that most likely won't retain it's value.
The most important thing here is not to stop doing what you do. Continue your work, and you will find that you can feel comfortable within your own style.
Is it possible to see some of your work?
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Stacey
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Re: that I have no formal art training? | Erikht wrote: | | Frewen wrote: | I'm feeling rather ignorant in all things arty (not even having posession of a GCSE in art).
How do I learn to walk the walk? or does it not matter?
I've been looking at some artists websites, and they have "statements", collections, resumes, exhibitions, portfolios.....
....I feel all intimidated  |
It is not a must, though the attitude you sometimes meet here that "the less you know the better you are" is off course stupid, and can not be what you are looking for. That said, art education will usually be (roughly) two things: Technique and coherence/context. If you are technically good at what you do, then by all means continue to develop that part of you; if you are not, you either need to learn more (well, we always need to learn more) or stop doing it.
When it comes to coherence/context, I will give the opposite advice from some of the others here: Do look at other peoples stuff. You need to see as much art as possibly, not to be intimidated, but to understand who you are and how you came to be there. See the stain glass windows in your local church, go at the art museum, look at peoples stuff on their home pages. Develop your eye, and you will find that it develops your style. This can be done with or without a formal education of any kind.
Everybody seem to have statements these days, I really wouldn't worry about that. I support China's liberation of Tibet, but I wouldn't write it on my home page. Resumes are fine, but you have to start them somewhere. Exhibitions are the ultimate goal, really, that's were you will sell your stuff. But I think you will find that other methods can be used in order to become a well known figure. The point here, though, is to make things that people 1: Like and 2: Feel secure in buying. Art can be quite an investment, and you don't want to cash out for something bland and boring that most likely won't retain it's value.
The most important thing here is not to stop doing what you do. Continue your work, and you will find that you can feel comfortable within your own style.
Is it possible to see some of your work? |
I didn't say don't look at nature / stained glass windows etc for inspiration, I said stop looking at other people's work. It's all to easy to search the net looking for people who do similar things to yourself and comparing yourself negatively.
What I found invaluable in the training was being taught the process of starting with an idea and working it through to the end result. Having said that however, I rarely use it.
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Brownbear
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Or, you could start with the end result, and work backwards.
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Stacey
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What would be the point in that?
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Brownbear
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| Stacey wrote: | | What would be the point in that? |
There would be a lot of point, I would have thought.
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Stacey
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Jesus, you're tiresome today.
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Brownbear
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| Stacey wrote: | | Jesus, you're tiresome today. |
I wasn't answering you. For those who can't understand what I meant, one can set about creating a work of art by starting with the result - what you wish to achieve - and then work backwards - what is the best way of doing so? Or you could sit down with some artistic materials and work forward - "here is a tin of paint, a block of stone, a stoat-fur brush, three tubes of glue and a herring. I wonder what I can make with that."
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Stacey
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| Brownbear wrote: | | Stacey wrote: | | Jesus, you're tiresome today. |
I wasn't answering you. |
Why quote me then?
You don't get many colleges teaching process that way round. I s'pose you're an expert in art as well though.
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Brownbear
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| Stacey wrote: | | I s'pose you're an expert in art as well though. |
Well, I was the first man to exhibit in the Salon des Hermines.
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Stacey
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| Brownbear wrote: | | Stacey wrote: | | I s'pose you're an expert in art as well though. |
Well, I was the first man to exhibit in the Salon des Hermines. |
Hilarious
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Jamanda
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| Brownbear wrote: | | Stacey wrote: | | I s'pose you're an expert in art as well though. |
Well, I was the first man to exhibit in the Salon des Hermines. |
Would I regret asking what that was, and what you exhibited?
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Brownbear
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| Jamanda wrote: | | Brownbear wrote: | | Stacey wrote: | | I s'pose you're an expert in art as well though. |
Well, I was the first man to exhibit in the Salon des Hermines. |
Would I regret asking what that was, and what you exhibited? |
An art exhibition built by stoats, for stoats, from stoats. Stoats have limited access to building materials.
I was exhibiting my masterpiece, Manky Dead Rabbit in an Old Cardboard Box. I started from the beginning, you see, and that was all I had to hand at the time. Several of the stoats said it moved them to indigestion.
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JB
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| Brownbear wrote: | | I was exhibiting my masterpiece, Manky Dead Rabbit in an Old Cardboard Box. I started from the beginning, you see, and that was all I had to hand at the time. Several of the stoats said it moved them to indigestion. |
Sounds like most of the Tate modern!
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Jamanda
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Am I to assume that hermine is French for stoat then?
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Brownbear
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| Jamanda wrote: | Am I to assume that hermine is French for stoat then?  |
No, it's the French for 'brick'. However, it's the Portugese for herring, but 'herring' in Serbo-Croat is 'stoat'.
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gil
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| Brownbear wrote: | | No, it's the French for 'brick'. However, it's the Portugese for herring, but 'herring' in Serbo-Croat is 'stoat'. |
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MarkS
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You MUST have formal training.
Otherwise you might turn out like Jack Vettriano
But not too much in case you turn into Damian Hurst
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marigold
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| MarkS wrote: | Otherwise you might turn out like Jack Vettriano
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And if you do that I may feel obliged to needlefelt you to a lamppost
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mochyn
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| MarkS wrote: | You MUST have formal training.
Otherwise you might turn out like Jack Vettriano
But not too much in case you turn into Damian Hurst |
I was going to say that I don't think Van Gogh had any qualifications.
Tracey Emin has though.
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gnome
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i used to regularly view the end of term galleries put on by the local university. i learned something from that. what i learned was, there were always about four students who were totally original, and all the others who passed and were deemed worthy of exhibition looked the same as each other. it seems that art college teaches potential artists how to curry favour. thousands of students go to art college and get impressive qualifications - only to end up working in some mundane nine to five job.
apparently, a lot of it involves learning the history of art, and who artists were. an evening course is quite sufficient to teach you all you really need to know to be an artist - composition, colour, light etc. the rules of art are to be taken with a pinch of salt - some of the most successful artists have created their own style by breaking the rules.
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Brownbear
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| mochyn wrote: |
Tracey Emin has though. |
When her name was Ermine she used to paint proper pictures of manky dead rabbits.
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marigold
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It is a good idea to keep a record of everything you make, including a photo and brief notes re materials and inspiration, and, details of sale/gift recipient (if applicable). This eventually becomes your portfolio, but it's also a useful record and reminder of your progress.
| Stacey wrote: | | *Thinks about taking own advice* |
I do have a haphazard collection of folders with things stuffed into file-pockets which I really need to organise better... I also have various folders full of inspiring photos, pictures and articles culled from magazines etc. Again, not very well organised, but more or less in one place. If you get the side opening file pockets things are less likely to fall out (or get interestingly altered when you spill water into the top of the folder ).
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MarkS
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| marigold wrote: | | MarkS wrote: | Otherwise you might turn out like Jack Vettriano
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And if you do that I may feel obliged to needlefelt you to a lamppost  |
Now that would be an installation worth a prize...
You should probably video the process.
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orangepippin
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I saw the new Stones film at the weekend. Don't think Keith has had any training, just pure genius.
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AnnaD
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I never went to art college and I managed to get myself a job as an illustrator at the Botanics in Edinburgh. As long as people want to buy your work you should be fine, and from what I've seen you'll have no problem.
I do sometimes feel inferior when people ask me where I studied and what qualifications I have. But as long as the botanists are happy with my work then it's all good
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gnome
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my work has been seen by thousands - i designed a logo to go on a fleet of council bulky waste wagons. the only training i have is a GCSE evening course. that and a few books, and a month doing work placement at a label manufacturer. all you need is the basics - you dont need a university degree or anything like that. most of the people i knew who were art students joined a band and forgot all about art.
put together a portfolio - you can scan or photograph your works and put them on a CD or upload them onto a file storage site - your pictures will say more about your ability then any number of fancy certificates.
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