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Barefoot Andrew

This start-up might be of interest to DSers

http://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/blankflowers/

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Piggyphile

Sorry but it is not my kind of thing, she isn't growing any of the plants herself, no mention if the plants are organic or UK grown, she is getting them from London markets. I am not keen to help buy her a 6,000 car, surely a van would be better. Completely environmentally unsustainable.... send seeds as a gift instead and leave the Kenyan pot plants in Kenya.
Grump Grump
Rob R

AutoTrader will pay half? Shocked
Bodger

I can't see any mention of the pot plants having come from Kenya but even if they did, at least then the money that comes from their sale might just help someone escape the poverty that seems to be more or less endemic on that continent.
I say more "power to your elbow" to anyone whose prepared to get out there and try to make things happen for themselves. Having a set up where she can grow her own plants is obviously out of her reach at the moment but if she's successful in her venture, who knows what her future plans might be? As for aspiring to owning a car? How dare she? Yes Pigyphile, you are being grumpy. Very Happy
DorsetScott

Piggyphile does have a point though!
All other things aside, it sounds like all the person is after is a 6000 car, and that is to pick the flowers up. A van would have more space in it to pick up the plants, which in turn means less trips for the lady to pick up flowers, savings in petrol, lower carbon footprint etc.
And why do they need a 6 grand car?? I've never spent more than a grand on a car (and I only spent that much to get something more reliable when the second little nipper was born).
Respect for the idea, and props for trying to start her own business, but it still sounds like an excuse to get a nice car!!!
Barefoot Andrew

The words "messenger" and "shoot" spring to mind Wink
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DorsetScott

Have you seen the movie 300 Andrew? You're getting off lightly Smile
Barefoot Andrew

Shocked
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Sam White

It certainly would be nice to know a little more about how she'll be operating; I fear that the term 'sustainable' gets bandied about quite a lot with very little quantification...

As others have mentioned, a 6k car rather than a cheaper one seems questionable... Why not buy one for 2k and invest the rest in other aspects of the business?
arvo

Have you seen the movie 300 Andrew? You're getting off lightly Smile


Just seen that. I've vowed to be a more careful messenger in future Smile
Rob R

I can't see any mention of the pot plants having come from Kenya but even if they did, at least then the money that comes from their sale might just help someone escape the poverty that seems to be more or less endemic on that continent.
I say more "power to your elbow" to anyone whose prepared to get out there and try to make things happen for themselves. Having a set up where she can grow her own plants is obviously out of her reach at the moment but if she's successful in her venture, who knows what her future plans might be? As for aspiring to owning a car? How dare she? Yes Pigyphile, you are being grumpy. Very Happy


It's good to see someone championing someone with the get up and go to get up, and go rather than bringing them down. Why do we need to talk down investment in business in the UK? Is it so we can then be grumpy about things not working or the economy not moving?

As others have mentioned, a 6k car rather than a cheaper one seems questionable... Why not buy one for 2k and invest the rest in other aspects of the business?

It's sponsored by Auto Trader - they're not going to give her 2k to spend on a car and another 1k to spend on other things - they're in the business of selling cars.
Sam White

As others have mentioned, a 6k car rather than a cheaper one seems questionable... Why not buy one for 2k and invest the rest in other aspects of the business?

It's sponsored by Auto Trader - they're not going to give her 2k to spend on a car and another 1k to spend on other things - they're in the business of selling cars.

She raised 3k so perhaps 2k on the car and 1k on 'other'. Or, with the sponsorship, 1k for the car and 2k on 'other'. Assuming that the money she got wasn't dependent on her buying a 6000 vehicle... Or that the sponsorship isn't fixed at 3k per successful applicant.
Rob R

As others have mentioned, a 6k car rather than a cheaper one seems questionable... Why not buy one for 2k and invest the rest in other aspects of the business?

It's sponsored by Auto Trader - they're not going to give her 2k to spend on a car and another 1k to spend on other things - they're in the business of selling cars.

She raised 3k so perhaps 2k on the car and 1k on 'other'. Or, with the sponsorship, 1k for the car and 2k on 'other'. Assuming that the money she got wasn't dependent on her buying a 6000 vehicle...

3K with the help of Auto Trader, who are a car sales firm, they're not interested in selling 'other' things.
Piggyphile

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It's good to see someone championing someone with the get up and go to get up, and go rather than bringing them down. Why do we need to talk down investment in business in the UK? Is it so we can then be grumpy about things not working or the economy not moving?


Well a stable non growth economy is fine by me, endless growth is unsustainable anyway. My objection in this case is that she claims that

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Blank Flowers provides a sustainable gift


which is where I have the issue. A bit more thought on what plants and where she sources them from, packaging and method of delivery would win her more points from me. I suppose it depends on your definition of 'sustainable'.
Yes it is good to start your own business but this is a normal postal floristry business with the same carbon footprint as any other one
Rob R

But what's your baseline for a non-growth economy? I'm assuming that'd basically be a stable population, living a subsistence existence.

It does all depend upon the definition of sustainable, as some might argue that having a car isn't sustainable in the first place, but on the other hand not having a car is not very productive, which further reduces the sustainability. One thing you can't have is a subsistence gift business.
Hairyloon

But what's your baseline for a non-growth economy? I'm assuming that'd basically be a stable population...
Oh, now there is an interesting point.

If you have a stable economy and a growing population, then on average, each person is getting less...

OTOH, if there are more people, there are more people to produce things or to add value. The trick, perhaps is to match economic growth to population growth.

Meanwhile, back in real world land, it really doesn't matter a damn, just as long as the people at the top keep shafting the people at the bottom.
Rob R



OTOH, if there are more people, there are more people to produce things or to add value. The trick, perhaps is to match economic growth to population growth.

And industrial decline/improvements in efficiency.
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