| Archive for Downsizer For an ethical approach to consumption |
| Erikht |
To pederast or not to pederast...So what do we think about this then?http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10912603/ I am against it - on the basis that they are producing their own news. Scary. What about you? |
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| jema |
There have been a lot of dodgy entrapments going on reported at theregister.co.uk, .e.g. where you follow a link to a dodgy site and get the FBI breaking down the door, now in my opinion that is plain wrong as links can be misleading, can be posted anywhere and can even be followed automatically by browser caching programs.
But this case gives the scumbag plenty of chances to think about what they are doing, and they have to drive miles to do it. I can't think of any reason to believe that these scum are not dangerous pedophiles. So I support this type of thing. |
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| gnome |
me too. being curious or having fantasies you never intend to act on is one thing - but going out of your way to drive to another location shows true intent - these people deserve all they get. hats off to those who set the trap. | ||
| Erikht |
Yes, but they are still making it. Producing their own news. And you know how these things start: First, we have one of these things most of us can agree on. Next, they will trick politicians to meet grown up women (or men), and make programs about it ("Tomcat Mayor" "Love, Actually?"). They will then not be re-elected, because some journalist sleazebag decided that he wanted to take them down. It starts with the paedophiles. It ends with our democracy. And we all become peeping Kenny Starrs. | ||
| Jonnyboy |
I read that they managed to entrap a man with cerebral palsy - Go dateline! 
I agree with Erikht |
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| vegplot |
Anyone can get trapped if the trap is sprung right. I'm with Erikht
on this. It's a corruption in itself masquerading as social justice. |
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| Slim |
They are sort of residing in a gray area between entrapment and public service. | ||
| Brownbear |
Coming soon to a TV near you - I'm a Fantasy Predator Survival Extra - Get Me Out Of Here!. Twenty sex offenders are marooned on an island with Mrs. Warrilow's primary school class, and try to win their attention by competetively singing Broadway show-stoppers.
The winner gets a lifetime supply of sweets and puppies before being taken to the Paulsgrove Estate, tarred and feathered, and left tied up to a lamppost under the sign 'Nonce'. |
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| dpack |
my local law enforcers have set up various schemes such as opening second hand shops to entrap people selling stolen goods and most recently baiting houses to be burgled on several crime ridden estates
i think that is very reasonable and so is this ,if people wish to harm others and act upon that want they are fair game i wouldnt mind if they found a claymore mine rather than pc plod when they arrive hoping for some "fun" with a youngster . |
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| Brownbear |
I'm all in favour of that sort of thing - where I would begin to get uneasy is at the point where such investigations are televised as salacious entertainment under the guise of public service. | ||
| toggle |
I'ts not about protecting kids, it's about getting cheap ratings and i am very, very uncomfortable with the idea of something as serious as sexual abuse of minors being used for entertainment and a ratings boost. |
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| jema |
I am uncomfortable with who is doing it, but I can't object to the results. | ||
| Brownbear |
What would bother me if I were a parent, is, are the people watching it to see justice done and youngsters protected, or because they are getting a thrill at the idea that young girls may be found for such purposes? I would also have thought that it was a very good way for people planning to put such a plan or scheme into effect, to see how the police operate and what are the pitfalls to avoid. |
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| jema |
Well surely the only pitfall it can really be advertising is that it may be a trap?
Hard to see such a programme not scaring off a lot more predators than it somehow teaches tricks to? |
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| Brownbear |
Not sure. Never having gone in for predatory sexual deviancy, or seen the series, I'm not sure at all. It might scare them off, it might persuade them to be even more careful. Or it might convince them that their best bet is abduction and then murder rather than grooming. Are there any criminologists or forensic psychiatrists on the forum? |
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| jema |
I think it is pretty well established that despite all the moral panic of recent years, child stranger murder rates are very small and don't change much over time.
So I remain reasonably convinced that this sort of thing is much more likely to scare them off than anything else. |
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| Brownbear |
I'm not knowledgeable enough on the topic to demur with any confidence. It would be interesting, though, to see whether these sort of programmes lead to a reduction in the rates of child molesting. | ||
| jema |
Anything like this is a new social experiment with an element of danger that the results will not be what you want. I'd assume a programme like this would have had some expert opinions though (okay maybe I'm a optimist).
Almost all TV dealing with crime would be off the air if you take the view that anything that educates criminals should not be shown. The whole gamut from Crimewatch, The Bill, through to Day of the Jackal for any potential high class assassins watching, would have to go. |
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| Erikht |
Another argument against this kind of things is that it takes the focus away from the real problem. I think I have read somewhere that just about 2% of all sex crimes against minors start at the Internet. Friends and family are still the worst predators of them all. |
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| dpack |
in order of risk
family including step parent family friend care system school stranger but if anything reduces the victims by one it is a good thing folk talk to me ,i have heared too many horrid stories |
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| gnome |
that's just the point. strangers have always been just that in the past. statistically, i child is more at risk from someone known to them (it is frequently a relative or close friend of the family that is abusing a position of trust). but internet chat-lines are enabling us to let people into our lives whom we have never met. we think we know them, we don't percieve them as strangers. do you doubt that the men caught in these honey traps have the intention of following through with their fantasies? true, many would be put off by their conquest seeming too easy - but surely those that aren't put off are at least (if not more) dangerous? the fact that the team who set the trap are getting results is in itself a vindication of their actions. |
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| Erikht |
Too bad senator McCarthy didn't have Dateline at his service. Things like this really make witchhunting so much more... entertaining. |