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Mutton

trellis thing for excluding cats?

I've seen a plastic folding trellis thing for putting in car windows to stop the dog getting out of a part opened window.
Tried looking for a bigger version - so it could be possible to have a patio door part open and put something in the gap to stop cats coming through.
Does it exist?
sean

I've never seen one. If they're sliding doors could you make something from a bit of wood and chicken wire? A rectangle the height of the door wouldn't use much in the way of materials and would be held in place by the door so it wouldn't need to be particularly strong/rigid in its own right.
Mutton

Thanks.
Was hoping for off the shelf. It is something we could make, but there is a bit of a back-log on jobs......... Smile
Slim

I thought that's what the screen door is for? (as to whether a cat thinks it's enough of a barrier is open for debate)

I've only ever seen inserts for sliding doors that are solid except for a cat door to let the cat in and out.

Other than that people seem to use baby gates which cats just hop over
gregotyn

What sort of size are you after?. I would assume you want small holes to stop the cat getting through. If it has to be beautiful then not easy, but a fixed size is fairly simple as you make a frame and fill it with criss-cross lattice work or easier is chicken wire. It would have to be a size to fill the gap you want as cats are star climbers, and a gap at the top is an invite in to a cat!
wellington womble

You don't really get screen doors over here. Goodness knows why, we have enough insects.
Slim

You don't really get screen doors over here. Goodness knows why, we have enough insects.


This is fascinating to me. Why wouldn't you have screen doors? Do you have screens in your windows?
Slim

I always thought that this phenomenon was one of the archetypes of cat ownership

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/d2/8d/e6/d28de645294bbb53b60788c3bc3c2ddf.jpg
sean

You don't really get screen doors over here. Goodness knows why, we have enough insects.


This is fascinating to me. Why wouldn't you have screen doors? Do you have screens in your windows?

Cerrtainly not. Wink
wellington womble

Nope. It's just not done here. I've no idea why. It's not like we don't have insects. My caravan has window screens and a screen door. I think they are brilliant, and my next house is having both. But most Brits have never come across them. Mutton

My guess would be that
a) The summers are shorter and often cooler
b) Most windows open outwards.
c) British house building is conservative and always does things the same way

I've fancied shutters on a house - for winter warmth apart from anything else - but would have to re-do every window to open inwards. ANd then we couldn't have house plants on the window sill.

We could make a frame - as in we have the skills - just not the time. To expand a little - its not for us, its for someone who doesn't like cats and has no DIY skills.

We have wall to wall cats - well, four cats - seems like wall to wall, and up the wall.

@ Slim - so that is a cat hanging on a screen door? Do they climb up there? Or jump? or is that a whoopsie and it is stuck?
wellington womble

I'm going to have inside shutters when I get round to it. They come up on fleabay quite often, but I have very oddly sized windows. Slim

That photo isn't mine, though I could recreate it this summer with my big fat orange tabby


@ Slim - so that is a cat hanging on a screen door? Do they climb up there?
Yes
Or jump?
Yes
or is that a whoopsie and it is stuck?
Yes

Some cats climb up screens because they want to let you know that they'd like to be on the other side of it, and some just like to hang out and look at what's going on outside. Sometimes their claws get a little stuck. It's less cute when the cats get larger and start ripping through nylon screens. I added hardware cloth to the inside of my neighbor's screen door because their cat was ripping through the nylon screen.

I think most American windows are double hung so you just slide the window up and it makes sense to have a screen in place.

Shutters are pretty much exclusively ornamental here. Can someone elaborate how they help with energy savings? Is it any more than good curtains would?
wellington womble

No idea, I just like them.

Would you really need to change the windows? Would you ever want the windows open and the shutters shut?
Slim

No idea, I just like them.

Would you really need to change the windows? Would you ever want the windows open and the shutters shut?

But can you open the windows to open the shutters if they're already shut?
Jam Lady

Our thermopane windows crank to open outwards. We also have screens - they fit the windows on the inside.

And if a cat wants out, why then it will get out

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3524111/The-ultimate-cat-burglar-Crafty-feline-figures-ingenious-way-squeeze-seemingly-impenetrable-locked-door-Bangkok.html
Mutton

Great link JL - by the way "thermopane window" is that what I'd call double glazing?

As to external shutters - you need to have inward opening casement windows or sash windows to be able to fasten/unfasten the shutters from inside the house, rather than outside. If no internal access to the fastening on the shutters then you'd be trapped in the house if it caught fire when the shutters are closed across the window.

I grew up in a house with single glazed sash windows and internal wooden shutters that fitted closely over the window. Far more effective than curtains.

I could put internal shutters on our windows in our modern house - but then I couldn't have houseplants on the window sills. So I fancy, one day, having thick external shutters that close over the windows, properly fitted with no draughts round the edges, so that they will increase the insulation. Won't ever happen in reality unless I suddenly have lots of money to pay a carpenter to do them. Probably would need a frame around the window too, for the "close fitting draught free" bit. Not enough time in the year, other things have priority (like the animals, planting more trees, finishing the raspberry bed etc etc) but it would be nice. Though would need to swap to sash windows of some sort, so I can open the shutters from inside the house AND still have houseplants on the window sill.
Still dreaming.....Smile
Jam Lady

Mutton, what I call "thermopane" has two panes of glass with a very narrow gap between, framed as a single unit.

Mr Jam Lord likes the crank-out style of window very much as they seal tight. I dislike them as cleaning the outside of the windows on the upper story is awkward to say the least.

Small air gap insulates better than a wider one. For windows on the colder side of the house I have simple fleece curtains - one piece just a little wider than the window that are pulled close at night, using a tension rod that fits between sides of window frame. Decorative curtains in addition on rods outside the window frame.

The nice thing with fleece is that it doesn't need to be hemmed, just cut to size with scissors. I used white and off white but fleece is available in many colors. Clip-on curtain rings make it easy peasy.
NorthernMonkeyGirl

Back to trellis... Do you have anything like this that could fit in the gap? Jam Lady

I think your idea of a gap-filling screen with partially open door will be difficult - how do you keep the solid door from moving and becoming more open.

Here's a pop-fit, dowel and screen version: http://www.instructables.com/id/Homemade-Screen-Door/?ALLSTEPS
wellington womble

Is it worth looking at motor home or caravan screen doors? They've had them for ages, so there might be different models and sizes to suit.

I'm guessing this is too big?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Xpanda-Trellis-Security-expanding-lattice/dp/B01BQ7OB9G?ie=UTF8&keywords=Lattice%20security%20door&qid=1460750915&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1
Jam Lady

Looks like a cat could saunter right through wellington womble

I imagine so, too. But I'm guessing that's the sort of thing you want with smaller holes? Mutton

I think your idea of a gap-filling screen with partially open door will be difficult - how do you keep the solid door from moving and becoming more open.

Here's a pop-fit, dowel and screen version: http://www.instructables.com/id/Homemade-Screen-Door/?ALLSTEPS

Sliding patio doors are heavy and don't tend to move on their own.


@ww - um - sort of. That is fixed to the door frame and was really looking for something that you'd stand inside the patio door frame when you slide the door open. So open the door a set amount, stand "thing" in the gap, pull door a fraction more closed to wedge it. Same principle as the window ones for dogs.

But I think this does all say there is nothing commercial. Thanks folks
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