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Woodburner

Variation on a rat problem

Earlier in the year I had a rat problem, and was very diligent on putting out rat bait. The amount they got through before it stopped 'disappearing' was quite shocking. However, it did the trick, and the chicken food also stopped 'disappearing' so rapidly.

Just lately though, the food consumption has gone up again, and there's been a steady increase in scurrying noises while shutting the chooks in. A couple of nights ago, I spotted one briefly in the torch light, but apart from it's size, and rodent shape, I couldn't tell much about it. Small rat? Tonight, there was rustling pretty much whichever way I shone the torch, and I managed to see at least three different beasties, from baby rat size to small rat size, and all with relatively short furry tails . . .

Does rat poison work on voles? Neutral
Treacodactyl

Re: Variation on a rat problem

Does rat poison work on voles? Neutral


A google suggests yes but try searching for the exact poison name and vole. The voles may not like the bate though, rats seem to eat anything.
Slim

Snap traps with apple slices (or even beet slices!) work quite well on voles, but need re-setting frequently. Best if place perpendicular to walls, etc where they're likely to run
Woodburner

Googling reveals the poison to be nasty to all sorts of things, in several ways, so I might well try trapping, although there hasn't been so much activity now it's colder. Confused

I'm not too keen on snap traps, but I can't find the plans for a home made, mostly wooden, humane tunnel trap, that I have seen before, and I can't remember how the one way entrance works or if/how the door is tripped.

Getting v frustrated with google lately. Sad
Bodger

To be honest, although I have a reputation for being a bit of a 'killer' I could live with voles and I wouldn't kill them with any method.
Ty Gwyn

Are not voles rare nowadays and protected?

Two local youngsters called up last week to find out if I would allow them to shoot rats,they had one before leaving,called back later on and had another 10 between them,one had an infra red light sight of some sorts,and worked a treat.
Jam Lady

Here's what I found out about small rodents that live where I do.

Chipmunks are - relatively speaking - restrained in their breeding habits. They breed twice a year and have 4 or 5 young in each litter. Generally live 3 years in the wild.

Deer mice are more active in the population increase stakes. They have anywhere from 1 to 11 pups but usually 4 to 6 in a litter. They breed every 3 to 4 weeks in warm weather. They can get pregnant while nursing the current litter. The young can reproduce at 35 days but more commonly at 49 days. Mortality of young is high, and adults seldom live more than 1-2 1/2 years.

Voles live a short (3 to 6 months on average) but sexy life. Voles reach sexual maturity at 1 month, have a 3 week pregnancy, and anywhere from 5 to 10 litters a year. With 5 to 10 young per litter that's a low of 25 to a high of 100 young per vole per year.Voles are eaten by raccoons, owls, hawks, falcons, coyotes, foxes, snakes, weasels, cats and dogs.
dpack

Are not voles rare nowadays and protected?

Two local youngsters called up last week to find out if I would allow them to shoot rats,they had one before leaving,called back later on and had another 10 between them,one had an infra red light sight of some sorts,and worked a treat.


passive ir is ok but active is awesome( if you spend a lot on it) ,the cobra i got off brownbear is an amazing bit of kit for shooting or for observing ,x4 mag, deep and widish field of view and with the pinhole cover on in will work in dayliight as well.

tis a bit chunky but less bother and more effective than lamping.
mousjoos

Here's what I found out about small rodents that live where I do.

Chipmunks are - relatively speaking - restrained in their breeding habits. They breed twice a year and have 4 or 5 young in each litter. Generally live 3 years in the wild.

Deer mice are more active in the population increase stakes. They have anywhere from 1 to 11 pups but usually 4 to 6 in a litter. They breed every 3 to 4 weeks in warm weather. They can get pregnant while nursing the current litter. The young can reproduce at 35 days but more commonly at 49 days. Mortality of young is high, and adults seldom live more than 1-2 1/2 years.

Voles live a short (3 to 6 months on average) but sexy life. Voles reach sexual maturity at 1 month, have a 3 week pregnancy, and anywhere from 5 to 10 litters a year. With 5 to 10 young per litter that's a low of 25 to a high of 100 young per vole per year.Voles are eaten by raccoons, owls, hawks, falcons, coyotes, foxes, snakes, weasels, cats and dogs.

Deer mice ? With antlers & everything ?
Slim



Deer mice ? With antlers & everything ?

The bigger problem is that they often come with deer ticks (and associated Lyme's disease)

How do the ticks know to go to deer, and the mice named after them?
Woodburner

update:

Snap traps are useless, and poison is no longer an option. Exclamation

So, I've been looking for multicatch rat traps online, and discovered that I already have the wherewithal to make a bucket trap, I just need daylight to find everything and put it all together.

Most of the bucket traps have some kind of seesaw involved, and I remembered that there was a seesaw involved in the tunnel trap too, and putting 'seesaw tunnel rat trap' into google brings up the type I was looking for when I posted before, so I will have a go at making one of those too.

Looks like I have a lot of work tomorrow!
Bodger

I'd love to see the finished article. thumbup


I've had this book on my book shelves for years, I can't remember the last time that I looked at it but its full of that sort of stuff.

https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=20084946217&searchurl=kn%3Dtraps%26sts%3Dt%26sortby%3D17%26an%3Dbateman
wellington womble

I believe a milk bottle also works. But then, I once caught a mouse in the toaster. NorthernMonkeyGirl

Crispy!
At the Yorkshire Show last summer, the game/hunting set were selling a gas-cartridge-powered rat thumper. I forget all details aoart from the duagram daying rat approaches, sticks head up tube to sniff bait, and KAPOW!

They were expensive though.
Woodburner

I'll post piccies if either of them work! Woodburner

I believe a milk bottle also works. But then, I once caught a mouse in the toaster.

Lots of things work for mice, but rats are much cleverer. Quite often a trap will catch one rat, but then the rest avoid it.
I'm hoping to get them used to the guttering/pipe seesaw, by leaving it in place, baited, with another piece of guttering underneath to keep it from working, while they get used to it and get ratty smells all over it. Hopefully that way, they won't wise up to it, even when it's dumping them in the barrel. Twisted Evil
NorthernMonkeyGirl

...I just spotted all my typos. Sorry! Woodburner

Update, sorry no trap yet.

I finally got enough bait that I stopped worrying about running out before they were 'dealt with' and started putting it out.
I also had the chickens fully accustomed to the rat-proof feeders by this time, and the coop that they had been breaking into to get food fully rat-proofed.

I was very surprised, after just a few days of putting bait out, that it stopped disappearing. I wondered if they were all hibernating.

A few days before that I had ordered a trail camera, and it duly arrived, so last night I set it up and this morning, I looked at the photo's and . . .
they're not hibernating . . .

Why the H have they stopped taking the bait?!?

And what on earth are they all finding to eat?
dpack

depending on the type of poisoned bait they might be drinking a lot and not feeling hungry. some are quite slow acting which is good in case your mutt almost becomes bycatch and vit k from the vet saves em.

they will soon be gone if that is the case,

they may have found a different food supply or they may have stashed your bait in their nest = also soon gone.

if you do try a drop trap let us know how it goes, im curious about them and a multi catch machine would be very useful.
Woodburner

A knowledgeable person told me that even if they didn't get a full dose it would still kill them just take a bit longer. I put it in a really hard to get to spot under a coop, so no worries about pets, and from past experience, I deduce that the rats eat the dead ones. I do keep my eyes open for bodies though.

I have no idea what they are eating, but thinking about what might scare them off, I remembered that I put the tub of bait on the ground handy for refilling . . . close the where I put the bait.

I just reviewed the piccies, and sure enough, they are giving the tub a wide berth. I guess that that wide berth extends under the coop to where the bait is.

I will rearrange things for tomorrow night . . .
dpack

human smell and anything new will be avoided so the tub seems to fit both categories

they do eat the fallen
wellington womble

I have a rat problem this winter, although I have had no problems before here. I've lost a number of quail through them being not quite so rat proof as I thought.

I have bait boxes and and snap traps out, and so far I have caught two rats and a squirrel in the snap traps, and nothing further. Maybe they can smell a (dead) rat?! There are definitely more rats (and less quail)

I did have a humane mouse trap that worked on a see-saw-in-a-tunnel mechanism. That also worked for a little while, and then no longer. I have an ex-rentokil friend who says that rats don't like new things. It mice are inquisitive.
Woodburner

I removed the tub and the bait is still not being touched.

I suspect that it's grandma and grandpa left, and they're wise to it somehow. I'm surprised that it took so little to kill the rest though. Apart from the two on camera, I haven't seen or heard any for ages though, so I guess it has killed them.

I really need to get working on mechanical traps, and a rat proof run, but it's too bleeping cold!
I guess I'll try the snap traps again, at least they won't smell so new now, so maybe they'll get something this time.
Behemoth

If my understanding is right you'll not be able to buy poisoned bait from April. Only 'competent' persons will be able to. TO be competent you have to pass a course. Mostly this is aimed at farmers and pest control operatives. Householders are expected to pay a pest controller to do it for them at whatever the going rate for a call out is. I think householders can take the course and become 'competent' though I haven't looked into this fully. dpack

the snap traps are a bit trick to set for a stable but sensitive trigger. very fine emery paper and a dab of oil on the hasp helps.

when baiting peanut butter and a few turns of sellotape ensures ratty has to get rough with the treadle and ups the kill rate.
Treacodactyl

If my understanding is right you'll not be able to buy poisoned bait from April. Only 'competent' persons will be able to. TO be competent you have to pass a course. Mostly this is aimed at farmers and pest control operatives. Householders are expected to pay a pest controller to do it for them at whatever the going rate for a call out is. I think householders can take the course and become 'competent' though I haven't looked into this fully.

Sounds a bit extreme, it seems a bit daft you could happily shoot a rat with a 30-06* but would need training to use a baited block of something.

*Naturally, if you try something as daft you'll ensure a safe backstop etc, etc.
Behemoth

ITs to do with poison in the environment apparently.
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