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onemanband

Woodburner installation regulations

Customer has enquired if I can fit them a woodburner.
Victorian end of terrace, 4 pot chimney on gable.
I'm fine with the hearth, opening up chimney breast etc side of the works but have never dealt with flue liners.
I've looked on web and I've also read some of Gervase's very good posts.

So I've come to conclusions that :
If I do it as a job for somebody else I really need to go down the flue liner route (to ensure proper operation, for customers safety and for my peace of mind )
Building control will have to be informed / inspect when a new flue is fitted.

Do I need to be qualified to install for somebody else ? Or does building control inspection negate this ?
I'm not short of work so should I just leave flue / burner installation to the professionals and only do the builderswork side of install?
lettucewoman

We installed our wood burner with the help of an ACE Wink friend,and have since had it checked and certificated with a HEPAS registered company. it was a stand alone burner but presumably if the work you do on the chimney etc is satisfactory and safe it would be OK...
Nick

Bil is a manager for services for a huge housing association and one of his biggest headaches is carbon monoxide from wood burners. So, know what you're doing, and get it checked. Or kill someone.
sean

If you don't need the work then I'd do the bit that you're good at and let someone else do the other stuff.
onemanband

Bil is a manager for services for a huge housing association and one of his biggest headaches is carbon monoxide from wood burners. So, know what you're doing, and get it checked. Or kill someone.


Killing someone is not the problem - its if I kill someone after doing an illegal install that would be a problem Laughing

I guess that as this :
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1273882/Teenager-dies-summerhouse-wood-burning-stove-leaks-carbon-monoxide.html
was a 'private' install, there is no come back for the father.

I'm well aware of the risks and would only go ahead if I was not breaching any rules. And once I've checked / altered my liability insurance (up for renewel at end of month)
onemanband

If you don't need the work then I'd do the bit that you're good at and let someone else do the other stuff.


That is my gut instinct.
But there was a first time for all the jobs that I do and I am only good at them because I've done them - It's a catch 22 vegplot

Re: Woodburner installation regulations
Do I need to be qualified to install for somebody else ? Or does building control inspection negate this ?

"If this work is not carried out by a competent person (E.G a HETAS installer) it must be inspected by someone from your local councils Building Control Department. "

My brother is a qualified and experienced installer and a chimney flue specialist if you live near the Chard area. onemanband

Re: Woodburner installation regulations
Do I need to be qualified to install for somebody else ? Or does building control inspection negate this ?

"If this work is not carried out by a competent person (E.G a HETAS installer) it must be inspected by someone from your local councils Building Control Department. "

Yes thought I'd read something like that.
So that's yes I can install as long as its inspected.

So I suppose next step is to double check with local BC.
Then I''ll have to work out if I can compete with a dedicated installer or wether its just simpler to let the professionals do it. vegplot

Re: Woodburner installation regulations
Do I need to be qualified to install for somebody else ? Or does building control inspection negate this ?

"If this work is not carried out by a competent person (E.G a HETAS installer) it must be inspected by someone from your local councils Building Control Department. "

Yes thought I'd read something like that.
So that's yes I can install as long as its inspected.

So I suppose next step is to double check with local BC.
Then I''ll have to work out if I can compete with a dedicated installer or wether its just simpler to let the professionals do it.

It will be quicker getting it installed rather than waiting for perhaps weeks for the local council to come out and inspect it. onemanband

Re: Woodburner installation regulations
It will be quicker getting it installed rather than waiting for perhaps weeks for the local council to come out and inspect it.

BC are pretty good round here - can normally get next day inspection - but yes, hanging around for inspections is another thing to consider. Lorrainelovesplants

Bear in mind that they will charge for the service also..... gray_b

I am only a simple chap, but whats the difference between an open fire and a stove from a flue/chimney point of view.

Apart from it being a new installation, there is no change to what goes up the chimney.

Or am I being far too simple and stupid. vegplot

Open fire! Open fire! Ye gods man this isn't a campsite! You can start light fires in your house.

That's a fair question to which I have no answer but I dare say they'll be a regulation or two covering them. onemanband

I am only a simple chap, but whats the difference between an open fire and a stove from a flue/chimney point of view.

Apart from it being a new installation, there is no change to what goes up the chimney.

Or am I being far too simple and stupid.

The difference is in the temperature of the gasses - a woodburner burns a lot hotter........... so an unlined chimney may be ok for an open fire but that same chimney could be a fire-risk if used with an unflued wood burner. Treacodactyl

I am only a simple chap, but whats the difference between an open fire and a stove from a flue/chimney point of view.

Apart from it being a new installation, there is no change to what goes up the chimney.

Or am I being far too simple and stupid.

The difference is in the temperature of the gasses - a woodburner burns a lot hotter........... so an unlined chimney may be ok for an open fire but that same chimney could be a fire-risk if used with an unflued wood burner.

Isn't it also to do with CO, carbon monoxide? It's not that likely (although not impossible) an open fire will produce loads of CO but it is possible to close off much of the oxygen to woodburner and thus produce loads of CO. So, you want the flue to be able to cope with that. Finsky

There is a difference what goes into up to chimney...wood burner that has been passed to be 'right type' for smoke free zones will burn gasses much efficiently resulting much less 'crap' coming out of chimney.
Without correct instalation the air draw won't be right and the burn won't be clean enough...or it might even damage the stove.
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