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RichardW



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 11 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

gz wrote:
A friend has just has pv panels installed, It took two weeks for Eon to "receive" his paperwork, from which date they are supposed to pay out. They are still dragging their heels..meanwhile he is generating power for them and not getting the ££.


One of two things will happen.

1, he will get paid for 25 years from the date & reading when they got the forms, eventually.
or
2, he will get paid from a new date in the future for 25 years.

But the important bit is he will still get the same amount of money paid to him as the money will roll in for 25 years in both cases.

Getting your first payment can take a while.

yummersetter



Joined: 26 Jan 2008
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Location: Somerset
PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 11 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

gz wrote:
A friend has just has pv panels installed, It took two weeks for Eon to "receive" his paperwork, from which date they are supposed to pay out. They are still dragging their heels..meanwhile he is generating power for them and not getting the ££.


You submit your meter figures three months or so after installation and then the payment arrives about 6 weeks later. The first payment seems to take forever to arrive, then its a three month interval. Our last submission was around the 24th Sept and we haven't had payment yet, should be this week I expect.

alison
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 11 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

We are with Eon, and I have always submitted on the 16th of each quarter, and banked the cheque before the end of the month.

RichardW



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 11 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

colour it green wrote:
well for us it was going to be a 10 year payback on our investment before hand, now this makes it financially not good, and we would be pushed to find the capital in the first place. the soonest we could get installation was January - so thats that.



If you had a 10 year payback quote then either they were charging to much, its a very bad site or drastically hedging their bets on the numbers or you were borrowing at a high rate. Even a simplistic calc will (sorry would have) give a max payback of 6 years not accounting for reduction in bills.


Speed of payments does depend if your FITs contract is with one of the big 6 or a smaller company. Not due to size but due to the "levelisation process". What happens is that all companies that are doing FIT's (not all have too) split the payments they are making by the total market share that they have. So that a small company with a small market share but a large % of its customers on FIT's is not paying out more than its fair share. Big companies have to be a member so have to payout quicker, small companies can wait till they get the divvy up.

RichardW



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 11 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

alison wrote:
We are with Eon, and I have always submitted on the 16th of each quarter, and banked the cheque before the end of the month.




That is very good, in fact the best that I have seen.

We have a wait of about 10-12 weeks from reading to payment.

Nicky cigreen



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 11 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

RichardW wrote:
colour it green wrote:
well for us it was going to be a 10 year payback on our investment before hand, now this makes it financially not good, and we would be pushed to find the capital in the first place. the soonest we could get installation was January - so thats that.



If you had a 10 year payback quote then either they were charging to much, its a very bad site or drastically hedging their bets on the numbers or you were borrowing at a high rate. Even a simplistic calc will (sorry would have) give a max payback of 6 years not accounting for reduction in bills..


our figures are a bit pessimistic, and the site is not ideal. we dont have enough south roof - so are going to use that for the tubes, so the only available place left to get enough panels on is west facing.. well very slightly north west.

the fact the gov have gone back on this year's deal makes me nervous that they will stick to pay for the whole 25 years, or slip out of that one too.

I'm keen on our other plans, but i felt forced into the PV thing as being a good financial move, providing the gov stick to their side of things... and thats the bit that made me nervous.
so, as i said.. a relief now. Other poor s*ds will have signed up, paid their deposit knowing that their window to get it done was January.. and now they are stuffed.

RichardW



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 11 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Ah north of west is not good. Between South & west or even west is ok but north of west, yikes. They should have turned you down.

As a side note the tubes would work better on the lesser roof than the PV. Site the PV optimally. Or you could have done a split system with the PV over two roofs.


Never mind its all good & you should not do it cos you feel pressured.

Hairyloon



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 11 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

A couple of petitions if anyone is interested.

https://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/20760
https://www.oursolarfuture.org.uk/support-solar/

and the Department of Energy and Climate Change fits@decc.gsi.gov.uk

pyrotech



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Location: Aylesbury
PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 11 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Thank heavens we got in at the beginning, based on actual cost and ignoring index linking of the FIT payments our payback period is currently 8.44 years. This does not take account of reduced fuel bills. would say 7 years payback is not beyond possible.

we get our cheques with in 28 days from submission of meter reading (British Gas, like getting money from them) BG said that they have 28 days to make payments under their agreement with OFGEN.??

OtleyLad



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 11 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

RichardW wrote:
Ah north of west is not good. Between South & west or even west is ok but north of west, yikes. They should have turned you down.

As a side note the tubes would work better on the lesser roof than the PV. Site the PV optimally. Or you could have done a split system with the PV over two roofs.


Never mind its all good & you should not do it cos you feel pressured.


Seen this:
https://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/picture/2011/nov/08/solar-panel-nottingham-big-picture?intcmp=122

Not all the roofs/panels can be facing south - some people are surley going to be dissapointed...

RichardW



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 11 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

I have seen that one before.

If the North South line is vertical through that picture then none of the installed arrays are any where near East or West.

In fact even if the N/S line is running corner to corner across the pic they would all still be in the ok band.


Even looking at the panels facing furthest away from each other they dont have 90 deg between them.

paul1963



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 11 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

This today:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15687873

About time they woke up.........

yummersetter



Joined: 26 Jan 2008
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Location: Somerset
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 11 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

So our system is in and working, on a house we let. All went very smoothly as the previous tenants left the day before the installers came and prospective tenants with 'green' ideals viewed as it was being commissioned and were thrilled with the idea of cheaper electricity so signed up to rent on the spot.

The installers said that what caught them on the hop was a shortage of inverters and available scaffolding. They also said that equipment costs would fall in the New Year and there was a drive to get people to install before the energy rating limit on their property comes into force in April.

Jb



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 11 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

yummersetter wrote:
... there was a drive to get people to install before the energy rating limit on their property comes into force in April.


What is an "energy rating limit"?

yummersetter



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 11 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

from the Energy Saving Trust https://www.energysavingtrust.org.uk
Quote:
New domestic energy efficiency requirements - from 1st April 2012. Where a domestic property does not meet these energy efficiency requirements, the Solar PV installation may receive the lower tariff of 9p/kWh. The UK Government is consulting on two alternative proposals:

that the owner or occupier should bring the property up to an Energy Performance Certificate (EPC) rating of level C or above; or
that the owner or occupier of a building should undertake all the measures that are identified on an EPC as potentially eligible for Green Deal finance, with no additional finance required.


I'm afraid I have no idea what the second proposal is about.

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