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dpack



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 14 4:20 pm    Post subject: reliability of kit  Reply with quote    

having not been ratting etc for a while i fortunately remembered to get the gun fetched here so as i could give it a quick fettle and re oil it until needed

well the outside is a bit rusty and overall it needs a deep clean and re blue

the day and night sights are fine but not much use til i fettle the weapon

however the longbow is in perfect working order

for any sort of long term planning for either food or as a zombie repellent im coming to the conclusion that bow would be better than bang

the advantages of bow are ,
make a new one with a sharp stone and a tree
ammo reusable and see above
silent
light
fair rate of fire
decent accurate range ,300m range for "in that patch over there"

etc etc

NorthernMonkeyGirl



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 14 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Between this post and the herbal book post, it seems like Something is Afoot

baldybloke



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 14 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

A catapult for the up close stuff would be good too.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 14 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

338 Lapua Mag to stop them getting close in the first place.

Lloyd



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 14 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Bow every time. My cousin recently made from from yew with a set of six arrows. The arrowheads were made from stainless teaspoons.
We don't yet know the power of the bow in official terms, but it is far far more penetrative and harmful than either my .17HMR or my .22 rimmy over comparable ranges, whilst also being silent and sustainably renewable.

dpack



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 14 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

200 or so metres is a fair distance to make em cautious at ,especially if you are going to have to fetch em back for dinner(ps close and a precise kill is good for bow hunting)

carrying irreplaceable high tech stuff that fails as soon as how much can you carry runs out or it goes rusty or requires a good chemist and another 50kg of reload kit to make it work again once the expendables are expended

i could make a case for a brown bess (if you are a good chemist and fair smith )or a sort of good case for an ak(if you can "forage consumables" and do a bit of smithing ) but long term without an "industrial" support and supply structure bow is queen.

high tech stuff is very good at what it does when constantly supported by high tech infrastructure ,spot the weakness

bow is easier to learn than precision engineering and good chemistry as well

dpack



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 14 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

baldybloke wrote:
A catapult for the up close stuff would be good too.

up close and personal is mangle,tangle dangle ,strangle and stab

the first 4 never sleep but can fit with the 5th if one is awake

dpack



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 14 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Lloyd wrote:
Bow every time. My cousin recently made from from yew with a set of six arrows. The arrowheads were made from stainless teaspoons.
We don't yet know the power of the bow in official terms, but it is far far more penetrative and harmful than either my .17HMR or my .22 rimmy over comparable ranges, whilst also being silent and sustainably renewable.


as well as the delivered energy the messiness of a sharp n jagged broad head adds to the wound track and can be relevant
the terminal ballistics of even a light (25lb pull) bow which a kid can use can do far more to give a lethal effects on game or zombies than most hard rounds (even hv ones) with the right head

re delivered energy in imperial a rough estimate is 2/3 draw weight x draw length for "muzzle energy"
the travelling and terminal ballistics are complicated as the "round" is massive and wobbly as well as either pointy or bladey or both .

the springyness/speed of the bow and stiffness of the arrow do matter ie for a given pull the faster the bow goes strait and the less bent the arrow gets at launch the more energy sets off .
it is more complex than it might seem.

the best way to assess performance is by the wound track in a variety of targets with a variety of arrows

a neat hole wont drop a bear although it might have a problem putting its pajamas on

Treacodactyl
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 14 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

If you're talking about zombies then I'll just have a laser gun with limitless charge as we're living in a fantasy world.

If you're talking about bow hunting, in places where it's legal, then for example it seems most US bow hunters will only hunt out to 35 yards (often 20 yards is typical) and that's with very powerful modern compound bows.

mousjoos



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 14 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

and you get to wear a felt hat with a feather in it when using a bow....not a good look with a gun though

Bodger



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 14 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

What's going on Deepers? Are you preparing for after the Apocalypse, or are you merely considering moving to Wales?

dpack



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 14 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Bodger wrote:
What's going on Deepers? Are you preparing for after the Apocalypse, or are you merely considering moving to Wales?


same thing really

Bodger



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 14 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Yup

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