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Duane Dibbley



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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 15 12:01 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

I would point towards St George....do they smell 'mealy' ?

dpack



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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 15 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

it might not be due to
location i normally find them in open grassland,

they are not as indented around the edges as i am used to ,

clumps yes but i dont remember finding a ring as such,

i cant smell them

the photos are a bit vague .

as i suggested two very good online field guides and a spore print i recon i am being sensible .i would rather miss one meal than always be "late"for dinner.

based on over 40 yrs picking and expert tuition from old polish ladies

Tavascarow



Joined: 06 Aug 2006
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Location: South Cornwall
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 15 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Falstaff wrote:
dpack wrote:
i had though st g as a possible but the edges seem a bit less indented than most st g .

perhaps with the specimens to hand and a look at roger's and phillip's id guides will confirm what they are .

a spore print might give a definite id.

dont put the butter in the pan yet


Which translates into "It might not be ...."



DO share your own suggestions then ?

Dpack is right. It's always wise to err on the side of caution with regards to foraging, particularly fungi.
What an individual does is an individuals business, but giving advice could possibly make you (& this forum) culpable if wrong.

Allen And Linda



Joined: 13 Nov 2010
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Location: North Of Bristol
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 15 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Hi, Thanks or all the advice.

I'm sure they are St Georges because they were growing in a ring, at the side of a path and at this time of the year. Also checking with John Wright he says that the only thing they might be confused with is the Deadly FibreCap which have dark gills.

Thanks for replies and help so far, and please let me know what you think.

Regards,

Linda

dpack



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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 15 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

umbellifer roulette is another good game especially if played with wet feet.

dpack



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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 15 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

colour can be a confusing criterium depending on moisture content ,spore development etc etc .

even with the slightly vague photos im fairly sure they are not fibre caps ,st g seems likely but the location is atypical of my usual collecting spots .

do they smell of damp flour ? mr dibbley has a pretty good id test for st g with that

the cap looks a bit thin and a bit too regular imho


st g look like this

there are a few others among the images but most are st g


your ones might be st g but i will not say they are nor can i suggest what else they might be

dpack



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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 15 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

st g

these look like the ones i think of as among the best eating shrooms

Falstaff



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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 15 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

dpack wrote:
it might not be due to
location i normally find them in open grassland,

they are not as indented around the edges as i am used to ,

clumps yes but i dont remember finding a ring as such,


............based on over 40 yrs picking and expert tuition from old polish ladies



Here are some St Georges :








And here is the "Clump in Grassland" they came from One of my most reliable spots, althgough it hasn't produced as yet this year !



Falstaff



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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 15 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Allen And Linda wrote:
Hi, Thanks or all the advice.

I'm sure they are St Georges because they were growing in a ring, at the side of a path and at this time of the year. Also checking with John Wright he says that the only thing they might be confused with is the Deadly FibreCap which have dark gills.

Thanks for replies and help so far, and please let me know what you think.

Regards,

Linda


Glad to have that cleared up Linda. There is a huge amount of Paranoia in this country about mushrooms and the ST George is one of teh most welcome, as it comes so early and there is very little room for mistakes. The mealy smell as Duane points out is a bit of a confirmation as well.

dpack



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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 15 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

the shrooms on your chopping board are st g .the ones above im not sure about

look at the stem shape and thickness ,cap edge and rim profile of your ones and compare that to the bristol shrooms

round here open grassland is the place to look for em .

a couple of years ago there were an industrial amount in field 4 along a raised ditch bank in open grazed grass at rob's ,in hudds they grow on an open south facing slope in very rough grass .tis odd to see them under trees.

Falstaff



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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 15 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

dpack wrote:
the shrooms on your chopping board are st g .the ones above im not sure about

look at the stem shape and thickness ,cap edge and rim profile of your ones and compare that to the bristol shrooms

.


AS I said there's a lot of paranoia in this country about mushrooms - What else do you suggest they could be ?

[We'll wait whilst you "Phone a Polish friend..." ]

dpack



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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 15 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

i find your attitude dangerous .

Nick



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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 15 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

dpack wrote:
i find your attitude dangerous .


Darwinian, is the word you're after.

Falstaff



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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 15 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

dpack wrote:
i find your attitude dangerous .



Coming from one who refuses to eat food cooked in aluminium pans I wonder whether that says rather more about you than it does about me !


Do you still keep the light on all night when you sleep ?

Allen And Linda



Joined: 13 Nov 2010
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Location: North Of Bristol
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 15 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Thanks to everyone for your help.

Falstaff, thanks for the picture, that's exactly how they looked when we found them.

Surely SGM.

Cheers,

Linda

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