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gz



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 15 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

That is very helpful, JL. The slabs will mostly be removed to the new kennel compounds. The soil is good, but if the sand is dug in it wont harm.
The advice re no root crops grown direct makes sense.

Jam Lady



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 15 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

You're welcome gz. Keep in mind that you can grow potatoes in the straw bales I gave a link to. And after a couple of cycles - leafy greens followed by beans the first crop year for example - you should be O.K. with including root crops in the rotation.

dpack



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 15 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

i assume you are worried about pathogenic worms,unless you eat the turnips or whatever raw and muddy it is unlikely to be a problem,good hygiene when handling soil for a year or so is a good idea.

i recon compaction and high unresolved nitrogen compounds/potassium salts/phosphate content will be an issue for growing things. double dig and turn,add lots of organic stuff as compost,green manure and turn that into the surface or as above use a lot of straw and grow in that for a season until it has rotted down and the worms have done the digging for you.

once the soil is alive again it will probably be quite productive

or dig it out for the petermen and use it in other ways:lol:

dpack



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 15 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

the straw thing also works very well for squash ,pumpkins etc and if well fed with mixture can turn horrible compacted "dead"ground into decent soil in 2 yrs

Falstaff



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 15 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

HAve you ever tried "double digging" ? - It's easier said than done - but double or even treble dig with manure etc in every level and masses in the top level will give you a wonderful growing medium.

dpack



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 15 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

yes i have.

Falstaff



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 15 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

dpack wrote:
yes i have.


You're clearly a wonderfully experienced man

dpack



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 15 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

you probably wouldn't want to find out some of what i am experienced in but as far as soil reclamation goes i have a fair record of doing a decent job.

Falstaff



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 15 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

dpack wrote:
you probably wouldn't want to find out some of what i am experienced in but as far as soil reclamation goes i have a fair record of doing a decent job.

Falstaff



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 15 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

[quote="Falstaff:1448574"]
dpack wrote:
you probably wouldn't want to find out some of what i am experienced in ..................


rather less assumptive than our own eel threads may be

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 15 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Double digging needs a deep soil. Ours is rock chalk at that level. Good advice on the thread though.

gz



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 15 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

dpack's advice is worth having....having met him and Ki,, I would listen and not disparage..

Thankyou all

dpack



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 15 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

your welcome,the straw thing is the easy option but it does limit what you can grow for the first couple of years.

Jam Lady



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 15 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Don't have to straw bale the entire site.

gz



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 15 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

The garden is lot bigger than the kennels...just that they are on the best growing sites!

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