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gardening-girl



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 17 4:20 pm    Post subject: Cider Vinegar.  Reply with quote    

We have just used a bottle of cider vinegar, but have kept the mother that was in the bottom of the bottle.
Question, If we put the mother in a jar with some local cider, will this eventually turn into vinegar?
Does it need oxygen to make it work.
We use `lots `of cider vinegar.

sean
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 17 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Yes and yes. Use a container with a bit of muslin over the top to keep out undesirables.

gz



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 17 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

How long does it take until usable as cider vinegar?

tahir



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 17 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Can't do it with apple juice can you?

sean
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 17 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

gz wrote:
How long does it take until usable as cider vinegar?


*Some* weeks, it's a bit variable, sometimes it goes like a rocket and sometimes it takes ages.

sean
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 17 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

tahir wrote:
Can't do it with apple juice can you?


Dunno really. Vinegar's the end point for fermentation really. If you leave apple juice standing around it'll ferment and then eventually turn in to vinegar.

tahir



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 17 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Hmm. May have to give it a try

Slim



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 17 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Apple juice will go to vinegar fairly quickly. If left with an open top (with the cheese cloth) the oxygen will keep the fun fermentation stage to a minimum

gardening-girl



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 17 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Would a demi john allow enough air to get in? thinking quantity .

Shan



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 17 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

No, it needs more air. Better off with a food grade bucket and muslin over the top.

Also, if the liquid starts to smell like acetone, you need to incorporate more air. Remove the mothers (they reproduce faster than you think) and whisk the liquid to incorporate air. Do this daily util the acetone smell turns vinegary. Also, don't keep too many mothers in a batch.

Slim



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 17 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

gardening-girl wrote:
Would a demi john allow enough air to get in? thinking quantity .


These guys say yes, though I imagine cleaning is more difficult: http://www.pickyourown.org/AppleCiderVinegarRecipe.php

Shan



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 17 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Try getting excess mothers out of the Demijohn!

gz



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 17 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

What happens to the alcohol in vinegar making?

sean
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 17 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

It turns into acetic acid and water.

C2H5OH (l) + O2 (g) → CH3COOH (aq) + H2O (l)

Nick



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 17 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

gz wrote:
What happens to the alcohol in vinegar making?


They put labels on it.



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