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Shan



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 17 10:17 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

No, it needs more air. Better off with a food grade bucket and muslin over the top.

Also, if the liquid starts to smell like acetone, you need to incorporate more air. Remove the mothers (they reproduce faster than you think) and whisk the liquid to incorporate air. Do this daily util the acetone smell turns vinegary. Also, don't keep too many mothers in a batch.

Slim



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 17 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

gardening-girl wrote:
Would a demi john allow enough air to get in? thinking quantity .


These guys say yes, though I imagine cleaning is more difficult: http://www.pickyourown.org/AppleCiderVinegarRecipe.php

Shan



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 17 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Try getting excess mothers out of the Demijohn!

gz



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 17 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

What happens to the alcohol in vinegar making?

sean
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 17 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

It turns into acetic acid and water.

C2H5OH (l) + O2 (g) → CH3COOH (aq) + H2O (l)

Nick



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 17 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

gz wrote:
What happens to the alcohol in vinegar making?


They put labels on it.



dpack



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 17 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    


gardening-girl



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 17 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Well that worked really well
We used 4pts of local dry cider, and the original mother. Put it in a honey bucket with a muslin cover over it, and left it .
Today we have perfect cider vinegar with a smooth flavour, none of the catch the back of the throat stuff.
I have kept the mother in the bucket and just left it covered with the vinegar.

tahir



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 17 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

My apple juice has a skin of mould, no vinegar smell yet

tahir



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 17 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Hello....

Where've I gone wrong?

sean
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 17 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Dunno really. I think it's got to ferment first so that the acetobacter can do it's thing. Had the apple juice been pasteurized or sulfited?

tahir



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 17 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Pasteurised, would that make a difference?

sean
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 17 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Yep. That's what's done it I reckon. If you used fresh-pressed it would work. If it's been pasteurized it'll probably need yeast adding back in to get it moving. You could start a new lot and bung in a bit of bread yeast.

tahir



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 17 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Doh! Should have realised, even when you mentioned pasteurisation I didn't twig!

gardening-girl



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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 17 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

On to our second batch of vinegar, Mother is growing well.
Paid 3.90 for 4pts of local cider(took my own container). Organic cider vinegar is nearly 5 for 500ml in our local health food shop, so making our own way cheaper.

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