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Nick
Joined: 02 Nov 2004
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Location: Hereford
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| Chez wrote: |
| . Their eyes still held intelligence. |
All this, from a duck? These are the creatures that fight with each other for stale bread. Any intelligence you see in a duck's eye is a reflection. They are at least as stupid as chicken, and God, are they dim. |
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lottie
Joined: 11 Aug 2005
Posts: 3803
Location: ceredigion
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I've had this happen with a duck, never with a fowl or turkey it's extremely upsetting. |
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Chez
Joined: 13 Aug 2006
Posts: 12750
Location: Quantock Hills, Somerset
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 09 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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It doesn't happen every time; but I'm glad it's not just me that has had it occur. I try not to look now.
We aren't talking measurable IQ here, Nick  |
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dpack
Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 12647
Location: w yorks /earth
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 09 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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i know what you mean chez i hated that and have two ways of avoiding owt but instant, first is pull and twist ,a destructive attack to medulla oblongata results in instant brain death ,then bleed out
other is a very good machete and once the bird is on the block (from a cuddle to a lie down with head out ,takes practice ,mind fingers )cut behind the eyes through the head again destroying the med .ob.this is instant front and back but bleeds out as the heart still beats until deoxygenated
flapping at the back is not too distubing but an aware eye is horrid and seems to be common if an intact head is seperated from the body rather than massive brain damage from a pull or sharp trauma |
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Chez
Joined: 13 Aug 2006
Posts: 12750
Location: Quantock Hills, Somerset
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It doesn't happen with chickens, though. I do tend to like the head to come off, because at least you know they're dead. I just can't see myself going for the machete thing. I need to work on my twist-and-pull  |
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Rob R
Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: York
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 09 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't describe it as twist nor pull, more push & flick. |
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Chez
Joined: 13 Aug 2006
Posts: 12750
Location: Quantock Hills, Somerset
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 09 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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I need a lesson next time we visit, please? |
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Rob R
Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: York
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 09 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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You wanna to see my technique? |
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dpack
Joined: 02 Jul 2005
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Location: w yorks /earth
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 09 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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the words are different not sure about the method
i hold the bird under my left arm with hand round neck from below, gently but firm ,right hand then grasps behind head from above between first/second finger ,thumb under to lock the hold ,twist neck qurter turn with each hand while pulling body back and head forward in an arc in a broad ,fast and robust move
seems pretty instant re brain death
how does your method work ? |
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Chez
Joined: 13 Aug 2006
Posts: 12750
Location: Quantock Hills, Somerset
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| Rob R wrote: |
| You wanna to see my technique? |
Yeah. But only so I can show Arvo how it's done.
I just put them down gently on the ground, one hand holding both legs, one hand under the breast. The ground has to be perfectly flat and hard - grass or soil is no good.
Then I place the broomstick gently across the neck near the base of the skull and my feet either side of the head on the broom, with the weight on my heels. (If you have someone to stand on one side of the broom whilst you stand on the other it works well, too - and is good for moral support). And then I simultaneously bring my weight forwards on to the broom handle and stretch the legs of the bird up vertically, pulling smoothly and firmly.
If you do it right, you can feel it 'go' and you get a very strong flapping reaction. If you don't do it quite right, the flapping is less strong and at that point I always have a second go. And if you pull a bit hard, the head comes off. I would rather that happen than have to have another go at it and potentially be causing the bird distress. But it's messy. |
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stumbling goat
Joined: 20 Jan 2009
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jenn,
you have a pm.
sg |
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Ixy
Joined: 15 Aug 2008
Posts: 2835
Location: York
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 09 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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I use the broomstick for anything bigger than a hen, but not ducks. I tried necking a duck and it didn't even feel it. The next time I had to kill one I tried the broomstick - I just severely hurt it because I didn't have the strength to finish the job (I'm not exactly a wee thing either) and had to act fast with a knife to kill it - one of the worst things I've ever seen/done, and I've not killed a duck since that batch.
Personally, I don't believe necking does kill a chicken instantly. I like to tell myself the movements are just reflexes but in my gut, I feel it's not and that they are still feeling pain. I also think this is the case with stun guns. |
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Rob R
Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 15181
Location: York
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iirc the animal is [should be] motionless when stunned and the twitching starts when you slit the throat. |
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gunners71uk
Joined: 13 Oct 2009
Posts: 84
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 09 6:38 am Post subject: |
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whats the broomstick method pls |
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chicken feed
Joined: 27 Aug 2009
Posts: 167
Location: the fens cambs
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 09 7:32 am Post subject: |
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 go back to page 1 for the broomstick method. |
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